European Court of Justice rules: You can resell digitally purchased software.

[Grey Fox]

Well no.  I was under the impression that scarcity of items was not a factor in digital distribution.  Scarcity of bandwidth or electrons, sure, but not titles.

Steam can run out of keycodes.

Possibly, but how many variables are there for one game? There are like 25 different digits which can use either a number or a letter.  I'm not good at math and don't know how to figure how many possible codes there are for one game.  Hundreds of Trillions?  And even if they did, they could just get rid of the requirement.

Digital retail work like brick & mortar retailers. They buy a finite amount of games from the publishers. While the B&M get a dvd in a box, the Digital retailer gets codes & a data file.

Can you prove this?

Steam is block from work but It's all over their forum. They regularly run out of keys when games have unexpected success or from a sale.

Here's an example from the game Risen : http://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11835

[Tamas]

All in all, this is fuckin' interventionalism again.

I know about at least one distributor offering the chance to sell back your games, Greenman Gaming. People still haven't flocked there. Why? Because most doesn't give a fuck.

When this becomes an issue, place like Steam will change or go out of business.

[Razgovory]

Well no.  I was under the impression that scarcity of items was not a factor in digital distribution.  Scarcity of bandwidth or electrons, sure, but not titles.

Steam can run out of keycodes.

Possibly, but how many variables are there for one game? There are like 25 different digits which can use either a number or a letter.  I'm not good at math and don't know how to figure how many possible codes there are for one game.  Hundreds of Trillions?  And even if they did, they could just get rid of the requirement.

Digital retail work like brick & mortar retailers. They buy a finite amount of games from the publishers. While the B&M get a dvd in a box, the Digital retailer gets codes & a data file.

Can you prove this?

Steam is block from work but It's all over their forum. They regularly run out of keys when games have unexpected success or from a sale.

Here's an example from the game Risen : http://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11835

What about games sites like GOG.com?

[Grey Fox]

Well no.  I was under the impression that scarcity of items was not a factor in digital distribution.  Scarcity of bandwidth or electrons, sure, but not titles.

Steam can run out of keycodes.

Possibly, but how many variables are there for one game? There are like 25 different digits which can use either a number or a letter.  I'm not good at math and don't know how to figure how many possible codes there are for one game.  Hundreds of Trillions?  And even if they did, they could just get rid of the requirement.

Digital retail work like brick & mortar retailers. They buy a finite amount of games from the publishers. While the B&M get a dvd in a box, the Digital retailer gets codes & a data file.

Can you prove this?

Steam is block from work but It's all over their forum. They regularly run out of keys when games have unexpected success or from a sale.

Here's an example from the game Risen : http://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11835

What about games sites like GOG.com?

GOG.com is mostly the retail outfit of a publisher but I don't know how it works for their older games. It's a good question.

[Martinus]

Tamas, the more you post on Languish, the more I am convinced there is a reason you are stuck in a shitty job in Hungary. You are just not very bright.

[Razgovory]

Your post implied that a digital distributor had to actually purchase the codes.  After all, brick and mortar stores have to purchase each copy of a game.  I'm not seeing evidence of this.  What I see is a licence to sell the games not the distributorship purchasing each CD key and then selling it to a customer.

[Tamas]

Tamas, the more you post on Languish, the more I am convinced there is a reason you are stuck in a shitty job in Hungary. You are just not very bright.

We here also are fully aware why suckling on toes is part of your personality.

[Grey Fox]

Your post implied that a digital distributor had to actually purchase the codes.  After all, brick and mortar stores have to purchase each copy of a game.  I'm not seeing evidence of this.  What I see is a licence to sell the games not the distributorship purchasing each CD key and then selling it to a customer.

Grumbler?

[Duque de Bragança]

What kind of cinema would show Blu-Ray crap? A gypsy cinema?

A cinematheque.

[Neil]

Well no.  I was under the impression that scarcity of items was not a factor in digital distribution.  Scarcity of bandwidth or electrons, sure, but not titles.

Steam can run out of keycodes.

Possibly, but how many variables are there for one game? There are like 25 different digits which can use either a number or a letter.  I'm not good at math and don't know how to figure how many possible codes there are for one game.  Hundreds of Trillions?  And even if they did, they could just get rid of the requirement.

The code has to fit an algorithm, and they can't get rid of the requirement.

[Neil]

What about games sites like GOG.com?

No DRM, and thus no problem.

[szmik]

Well no.  I was under the impression that scarcity of items was not a factor in digital distribution.  Scarcity of bandwidth or electrons, sure, but not titles.

Steam can run out of keycodes.

Possibly, but how many variables are there for one game? There are like 25 different digits which can use either a number or a letter.  I'm not good at math and don't know how to figure how many possible codes there are for one game.  Hundreds of Trillions?  And even if they did, they could just get rid of the requirement.

The code has to fit an algorithm, and they can't get rid of the requirement.

and you don't need more keys than people, so you can easily cut out like million of combinations.

[sbr]

All in all, this is fuckin' interventionalism again.

I know about at least one distributor offering the chance to sell back your games, Greenman Gaming. People still haven't flocked there. Why? Because most doesn't give a fuck.

When this becomes an issue, place like Steam will change or go out of business.

Right?  What kind of crazy, liberal, interventionist agenda would it take for a court to rule that one actually owns something that one bought and paid for?

And as for your stupid Blue-Ray examples, the problem is that the cinema or rental shop is violating the license that was transfered to them in the re-sale.

[Razgovory]

What about games sites like GOG.com?

No DRM, and thus no problem.

Irrelevant.

[Razgovory]

All in all, this is fuckin' interventionalism again.

I know about at least one distributor offering the chance to sell back your games, Greenman Gaming. People still haven't flocked there. Why? Because most doesn't give a fuck.

When this becomes an issue, place like Steam will change or go out of business.

Right?  What kind of crazy, liberal, interventionist agenda would it take for a court to rule that one actually owns something that one bought and paid for?

And as for your stupid Blue-Ray examples, the problem is that the cinema or rental shop is violating the license that was transfered to them in the re-sale.

Did you actually buy all rights to the game?