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Started by Solmyr, June 12, 2012, 02:15:58 AM

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ulmont

#510
June 26, 2012, 06:24:19 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on June 26, 2012, 05:06:34 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 26, 2012, 04:27:17 PM
Hapsburgs and Valois both declare war on genoa?

Was this done independently or is this some ruse agreed by the two sides to get into war at the least cp cost?

I'm guessing Ulmont has Foul Weather.

I'm not sure Tamas is willing to spend the CPs to siege first impulse and/or I have faith in his ability to botch the first assault.

Habbaku

#511
June 26, 2012, 06:27:18 PM
You can't besiege a space that's not under siege by an ally or someone you're at war with.  Are you allied to him?
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

ulmont

#512
June 26, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
Oh, motherfucker.  Guys, can I back that up?

Viking

#513
June 26, 2012, 06:41:44 PM Last Edit: June 26, 2012, 06:48:10 PM by Viking
Tamas can't land in genoa, there are fleets there. He has to land in nice. So, he can get to genoa if he expends a 5 cp card.

1/5 move fleets including cartagena to GoL
3/5 move army from barca via GoL to nice
5/5 move army across pass from nice to genoa putting genoa under siege.

he isn't allied to the pope, so the much easier method of teleporting to naples, building two mercs and marching with 2R2M to genoa is easy peasy.

Ulmont has it much easier, he only needs 3 cp to get to genoa and can use cards to build a fleet in marseille (2cp) and sail both fleets to GoL (1cp) to be able to siege it (1cp) in the next turn.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Viking

#514
June 26, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
QuoteThe active power must have placed the space under siege during
a previous impulse.

that is the wording in the rules. If the hapsburgs put the place under siege you cannot assault it. You can only assault if you put the place under siege yourself.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

ulmont

#515
June 26, 2012, 06:48:29 PM
Eh, fuck it, we'll see if Tamas wants to blow 5 CP to siege Genoa now or not.

Viking

#516
June 26, 2012, 06:51:45 PM
Quote from: ulmont on June 26, 2012, 06:36:47 PM
Oh, motherfucker.  Guys, can I back that up?

I'm conflicted.

I don't like knowledge of the rules to be a factor in the outcome of the game. So, if you thought that you could assault tamas' already started siege then I'm inclined to agree to taking that back.

But then again, since you both declared war on genoa you almost certainly were open to the possibility that tamas, moving first, would not only get there first but assault first. So, in total I'm inclined to oppose you taking that back. Roxelana only works for Ottomans iirc.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Viking

#517
June 26, 2012, 06:56:39 PM
OK then... moving on...

I play Janissaries to place 4 Regulars on my foreign war card. 8 dudes couldn't win that war, lets see if 12 dudes can.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Viking

#518
June 26, 2012, 07:02:57 PM
Tamas, do you have any 5 cp cards to blow to get to genoa first?

(I didn't include french or spanish spring deployments I'm operating under the assumption that Tamas and ulmont know this better than me). I don't really like touching other peoples' counters.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

ulmont

#519
June 26, 2012, 07:03:49 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 26, 2012, 07:02:57 PM
(I didn't include french or spanish spring deployments I'm operating under the assumption that Tamas and ulmont know this better than me). I don't really like touching other peoples' counters.

Part of the pain of playing the Ottomans is to have to implement all the diplomatic shit and spring deployments.

Viking

#520
June 26, 2012, 07:07:11 PM
Quote from: ulmont on June 26, 2012, 07:03:49 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 26, 2012, 07:02:57 PM
(I didn't include french or spanish spring deployments I'm operating under the assumption that Tamas and ulmont know this better than me). I don't really like touching other peoples' counters.

Part of the pain of playing the Ottomans is to have to implement all the diplomatic shit and spring deployments.

Bummer, too late, I'll do that next turn, I'm sure Tamas will do it this one.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Habbaku

#521
June 26, 2012, 07:19:56 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 26, 2012, 06:56:39 PM
OK then... moving on...

I play Janissaries to place 4 Regulars on my foreign war card. 8 dudes couldn't win that war, lets see if 12 dudes can.

It's a bit late now because you're so committed, but...why so eager to win the war?  Why not just write off the 5 troops on the war and let it go forever?  You're spending more troops and more CPs to finish it off and 'win' it, but that just means the possibility is there for it to happen again at a later date (since it goes right back into the deck when the war is over).
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

Viking

#522
June 26, 2012, 07:49:34 PM
initially I desperately needed to get them back since I was reduced to 3 regulars on the regular map. (one in belgrade and two in algiers). My plan for winning the war quickly and getting my army back to the front was to re-enforce with jannisaries and win the battles. Statistically I would have been fine. But then again statistically I should have won the battle of vienna.

I'll be building up a 5 Cav reserve quickly to make sure that I can shrug off any foreign war card. Right now I have 24 regulars and 2 cav on the map. I'm not suffering from the sunk cost fallacy. I needed the guys back quickly, but my dice rolling was so atrocious that they were stuck there forever, fortunately Tamas is about as decisively viscious as a care bare on valium.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Habbaku

#523
June 26, 2012, 08:14:05 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 26, 2012, 07:49:34 PM
fortunately Tamas is about as decisively viscious as a care bare on valium.

Sad, but true.  He'd rather pick on NPCs than go after the Ottomans when they're weak.

He'll reap the whirlwind on that matter when the Turks encamp in Vienna, I've no doubt.
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.
-J. R. R. Tolkien

Solmyr

#524
June 27, 2012, 01:09:36 AM
Quote from: Viking on June 26, 2012, 04:31:02 PM
Quote from: ulmont on June 26, 2012, 03:44:46 PM
Quote from: Viking on June 26, 2012, 03:42:26 PM
Apart from me england gets free dows on anybody he is legally allowed to dow for the moment.

Not quite true, actually.

he gets free dows on spain, france and scotland. But you are right, he could have declared war on genoa or the papacy.

I suspect he'll be using his home card to marry Margaery Tyrell.
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