Barry vs. Bubba

[Ed Anger]

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[Eddie Teach]

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[Ed Anger]

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That is all I remember from 2000.

[Sheilbh]

If anybody's on the left was messianic recently, it was Gore 2000;  the only real economic populist, but his dire economic warnings sound too much like "we've-had-it-too-good-and-we're-not-going to-take-it-anymore!" to certain ears.

WTF? 

Al Gore was a champion of market solutions to global warming.  Edwards was the economic populist.  Free college for everyone!

That's a bit like saying John Kerry wasn't a moderate Massachusan, Paul Tsongas was the moderate Massachusan (I have no idea how to spell or say that).  It may be true but it's really, really irrelevant.

What do you mean by market solutions though?

Also Gore's campaign was Shrum-managed so I'm going to go with CdM on this.  It chimes with what I've read elsewhere too.

[Neil]

What do you mean by market solutions though?

Carbon pricing.

[garbon]

If anybody's on the left was messianic recently, it was Gore 2000;  the only real economic populist, but his dire economic warnings sound too much like "we've-had-it-too-good-and-we're-not-going to-take-it-anymore!" to certain ears.

I'm glad to see you are continuing with the strawman that someone said Obama's campaign was messianic.

[Ideologue]

If anybody's on the left was messianic recently, it was Gore 2000;  the only real economic populist, but his dire economic warnings sound too much like "we've-had-it-too-good-and-we're-not-going to-take-it-anymore!" to certain ears.

WTF? 

Al Gore was a champion of market solutions to global warming.  Edwards was the economic populist.  Free college for everyone!

And you tore him down, because you just couldn't handle his greatness.

Shame on you.  Shame on America.

[Martinus]

The only area where Clinton was better was the economy and that was largely because of external circumstances (like, the world not experiencing a global financial crisis). Obama is better on foreign policy, on gay rights (repeal DADT vs. approve DADT and DOMA), and they both fumbled health care reforms. I think Clinton gets viewed through rose-tinted glasses because to Americans in their 20s and 30s he represents the golden age, before Bush, 911, two wars and a global crisis.

[The Brain]

What do you mean by market solutions though?

Carbon pricing.

Who would pay for him?

[CountDeMoney]

If anybody's on the left was messianic recently, it was Gore 2000;  the only real economic populist, but his dire economic warnings sound too much like "we've-had-it-too-good-and-we're-not-going to-take-it-anymore!" to certain ears.

WTF? 

Al Gore was a champion of market solutions to global warming.  Edwards was the economic populist.  Free college for everyone!

Edwards was definitely a Norma Rae, but there were very distinct criticisms of Gore's targeting of Big Tobacco, Big Oil, HMOs and the pharmaceutical industry, which hadn't changed from his '92 campaign, which diverged substantially from Clinton's, which was much more GOP-friendly.

[Martinus]

Clinton/Gore pairing was similar to McCain/Palin in that the president was the more senior politician with a bigger centrist appeal, and the veep was younger and radical. On the other hand, Obama/Biden is more like Bush/Cheney, with the charismatic and younger president having a more senior veep whose main role is to advise the president.

[CountDeMoney]

Joe Biden is Joe Biden.  That's all that needs to be said. 

[Martinus]

Joe Biden is Joe Biden.  That's all that needs to be said. 

I love him. My favorite American veep since I began to notice American veeps (I don't know who was Bush Senior's veep or anyone before him. )

[Sheilbh]

I'm a big Biden fan too:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/joe-biden-had-an-epic-waterfight-with-kids-today

[Eddie Teach]

I love him. My favorite American veep since I began to notice American veeps (I don't know who was Bush Senior's veep or anyone before him. )

And Reagan's VP was... George Herbert Walker Bush.