Barry vs. Bubba

[Eddie Teach]

I think you missed a couple of Fox News talking points in here.  You're quickly becoming a toilet for the all the shit Republican strategists squeeze out.

  Just trying to point out how Clinton was a much better president than Obama is.

That is something Fox News would agree with. See, Clinton is constitutionally ineligible to run again.

[derspiess]

I think you missed a couple of Fox News talking points in here.  You're quickly becoming a toilet for the all the shit Republican strategists squeeze out.

  Just trying to point out how Clinton was a much better president than Obama is.

That is something Fox News would agree with. See, Clinton is constitutionally ineligible to run again.

  You caught me. 

[DGuller]

I think you missed a couple of Fox News talking points in here.  You're quickly becoming a toilet for the all the shit Republican strategists squeeze out.

Do you really think a post like that contributes to any kind of meaningful discussion?

Probably not, but neither do posts full of talking points.  Messianic?  Narcissistic?  Leave that sort of garbage to Rush.

[derspiess]

I think you missed a couple of Fox News talking points in here.  You're quickly becoming a toilet for the all the shit Republican strategists squeeze out.

Do you really think a post like that contributes to any kind of meaningful discussion?

Probably not, but neither do posts full of talking points.  Messianic?  Narcissistic?  Leave that sort of garbage to Rush.

Or... Hillary

[grumbler]

I think you missed a couple of Fox News talking points in here.  You're quickly becoming a toilet for the all the shit Republican strategists squeeze out.

Do you really think a post like that contributes to any kind of meaningful discussion?

To be fair, Spicey's overblown rhetoric obviously wasn't intended to contribute to any kind of a meaningful discussion, either.

[CountDeMoney]

To be fair, Spicey's overblown rhetoric obviously wasn't intended to contribute to any kind of a meaningful discussion, either.

He had me at Whore Pills.

[Admiral Yi]

Probably not, but neither do posts full of talking points.  Messianic?  Narcissistic?  Leave that sort of garbage to Rush.

What sort of test do you use to decide if a statement is full of talking points or not?

[DGuller]

Probably not, but neither do posts full of talking points.  Messianic?  Narcissistic?  Leave that sort of garbage to Rush.

What sort of test do you use to decide if a statement is full of talking points or not?

It's like pornography.  Sometimes you just know that a certain argument, characterization, or description has originally been devised somewhere deep in the bowels of political strategist, and almost overnight becomes repeated all over the place. 

[Eddie Teach]

It's like pornography.

Wow, and we thought Brain was weird.

[derspiess]

It's like pornography.  Sometimes you just know that a certain argument, characterization, or description has originally been devised somewhere deep in the bowels of political strategist, and almost overnight becomes repeated all over the place. 

So you don't think there was any sort of messianic tone to the buzz around Obama during his 2008 campaign?  Believe it or not, I didn't mean anything partisan in saying what I said about that.  Just making an observation that Obama seemed to be a better campaigner than Bill Clinton.

Re: narcissism, that choice of word may or may not be over the top, but I should say that I think most politicians are narcissists to some degree.

[merithyn]

most politicians are narcissists to some degree.

Truer words have never been spoken. 

[Admiral Yi]

It's like pornography.  Sometimes you just know that a certain argument, characterization, or description has originally been devised somewhere deep in the bowels of political strategist, and almost overnight becomes repeated all over the place.

That's nothing like pornography.

Repetition is a good one, I use that myself.  Not really sure if messianic and narcisisstic pass that test though.

Another good one is a conclusion that the stater can't justify.

[garbon]

most politicians are narcissists to some degree.

Truer words have never been spoken. 

But of course. If you had any sense, you'd just opt for private enterprise.

[dps]

Obama passed healthcare reform which is huge

I don't know, not with what we got and its legal status in question.

I'd agree that it's huge.  A huge mistake, IMO, but huge none-the-less.

[Neil]

Obama, on the other hand, had inherited a very specific (albeit substantially more hostile) foreign policy mission with 3 wars: Iraq, Afghanistan and GWOT that at least had established templates to follow.

Iraq, Afghanistan and the GWOT (and Iran) are the obvious ones.  I think Obama's also had to deal with the more long-term systemic problems like Europe, rising China and the Arab uprisings.  So far I think he's been pretty good on both fronts.

Yeah, there've been some changes, but I think Clinton having to deal with the consequences of the collapse of the order of the world for a half-century was a bit bigger deal than China becoming wealthy by selling us plastic things or a bunch of Arabs replacing their dictators with new dictators.

If that were true (it's not, at least not to the extent that you believe it), the smart thing would be for Obama to try the Clinton approach, which would force the evil GOP to vote against their own agenda. 

Broadly I agree.  But on specifics, I think their agendas moved.  I mean Obamacare is broadly very similar to Republican proposals in the 90s.

Absolutely.  The 90s Republicans still had some of the respectable Nixonians, but by now they're all dead or purged.