Is Obama a better president than George W. Bush?

[DGuller]

It is hardly honest though, so I don't really need to wade through the rest of your post.

How is it not honest?  Do you think that I secretly harbor views that blame the left for the political dysfunction, and that I'm just trolling here?

[Razgovory]

You need to be wealthier for garbon to entertain your views.

[garbon]

It is hardly honest though, so I don't really need to wade through the rest of your post.

How is it not honest?  Do you think that I secretly harbor views that blame the left for the political dysfunction, and that I'm just trolling here?

I've never claimed that you are intelligent.

[katmai]

Is a bear Catholic? Does the Pope shit in the woods?

[DGuller]

It is hardly honest though, so I don't really need to wade through the rest of your post.

How is it not honest?  Do you think that I secretly harbor views that blame the left for the political dysfunction, and that I'm just trolling here?

I've never claimed that you are intelligent.

Good to know.  How is that factoid relevant?

[garbon]

It is hardly honest though, so I don't really need to wade through the rest of your post.

How is it not honest?  Do you think that I secretly harbor views that blame the left for the political dysfunction, and that I'm just trolling here?

I've never claimed that you are intelligent.

Good to know.  How is that factoid relevant?

You don't have to be lying/trolling. It could very well be the case that you simply don't know better.

[Neil]

Of course not.  Social Security in the hands of Wall Street?  What could possibly happen?

Mass poverty for American oldsters?  Then again, a mass influx of social security funds might be the only thing that keeps casino capitalism from fully melting down for another five years.

[DGuller]

You don't have to be lying/trolling. It could very well be the case that you simply don't know better.

It might be.  I may be ignorant, biased, or plain insane.  None of those things would imply lack of honesty, though.  People are honestly wrong all the time.

[derspiess]

Of course not.  Social Security in the hands of Wall Street?  What could possibly happen?

Mass poverty for American oldsters?  Then again, a mass influx of social security funds might be the only thing that keeps casino capitalism from fully melting down for another five years.

I know I could get a better return than the gubmint on the money I'm currently contributing to SocSec.  Just cut me loose from the system, keep what I've contributed thus far, and let me divert my SS taxes into my 401k.

[DGuller]

Of course not.  Social Security in the hands of Wall Street?  What could possibly happen?

Mass poverty for American oldsters?  Then again, a mass influx of social security funds might be the only thing that keeps casino capitalism from fully melting down for another five years.

I know I could get a better return than the gubmint on the money I'm currently contributing to SocSec.  Just cut me loose from the system, keep what I've contributed thus far, and let me divert my SS taxes into my 401k.

Yeah, and if I could be cut loose from car insurance system, and keep my premium, I would get a better return as well 95%+ of the time.

[Eddie Teach]

Whoa, I'm surprised how liberal Languish have become in the last few years.

It's been about the same.  You just moved to the right.

There are fewer international lefties about harping on how reactionary the forum is.

[garbon]

You don't have to be lying/trolling. It could very well be the case that you simply don't know better.

It might be.  I may be ignorant, biased, or plain insane.  None of those things would imply lack of honesty, though.  People are honestly wrong all the time.

Alright you caught me. I don't think you are being straight up on this one. You're making the home team sound a lot better and much less blameless.

[Scipio]

That's fine if he's a Congressional leader.  But he's a President who already had half the country ranting about socialism because he's passed what was, 5 years ago, a plausible Republican policy. 

I actually think the problem with Obama is that he talks the left but actually governs from the centre - which can end up confusing and annoying both, the left think he's spineless and the right think he's too lefty.

See, Shiv, this is where your over-educated British stoic intellect fails you.  You're overshooting.
The problem half the nation has with Obama is because he's black man.  Yes, it's actually that fucking simple over here.

Right, because Britain would handle a Negro prime minister so well....

[DontSayBanana]

The problem is that you (and many Dems) spend too much time actin superior. The opposition doesn't agree with you, they must be terribly stupid people.  As a general rule, human beings don't respond well to being called ignorant. You can't expect to win their hearts if you're parading around your superiority (with little evidence to back it up, imo).

I would absolutely blame the opposition for setting up political blockades and refusing to even open dialogue, effectively abusing a system that was designed from the ground up to enforce cooperation.  Nice strawman, though.

[garbon]

The problem is that you (and many Dems) spend too much time actin superior. The opposition doesn't agree with you, they must be terribly stupid people.  As a general rule, human beings don't respond well to being called ignorant. You can't expect to win their hearts if you're parading around your superiority (with little evidence to back it up, imo).

I would absolutely blame the opposition for setting up political blockades and refusing to even open dialogue, effectively abusing a system that was designed from the ground up to enforce cooperation.  Nice strawman, though.

Of course you would. After all they are wrong and if they don't want to accept what you want to hand them, they must be evil.