Woman goes to ER, kicked out for trespassing, dies in jail.

[Martinus]

Hospitals are evil.  I told you.

More people die while receiving a service at hospitals than in any other type of establishment. Coincidence?

[Martinus]

I also think he'd be okay with "Mom Shoots Up Muslim."

What about "Mom Shoots Up Coke"?

But I agree with derspiess on this - indicating she is a "Mom" adds nothing to the story - so she has been fucked in the past and didn't manage to get a decent abortion? Big deal. You don't hear a lot of "Mom rabbit killed during a hunt" stories.

[Eddie Teach]

Hospitals are evil.  I told you.

I wonder what you'll be saying when you get the diabetes and need dialysis to keep your ass alive.

Living on life support's not really living.

[grumbler]

Living on life support's not really living.

Getting dialysis isn't really living on life support.

[crazy canuck]

Emergency rooms are manned by ER doctors, who are trauma specialists.  They are not family practice specialists/internists, who would be the kind of physicians who would give tests that would discover blood clots.

No, a doctor doesnt have to be a family practice doctor or a internist to give a test for blood clotting.  That is just silly. The issue here is that she presented with a sprained ankle not symptoms consistent with blood clots.  Meri is quite right.  If she had told the doctor what she had told others about prolonged pain in her legs she probably would have been treated differently and the tests probably would have been run.


The point I think you are trying to make in a round about way is that if she had better health care this would have been discovered by someone like a family doctor.  I agree.  It is the great weakness of the American healthcare system that you spend more per capita on health care and get so much less.

One day you folks will wake up to the fact that your system sucks and move to a single payer model.

[Barrister]

Emergency rooms are manned by ER doctors, who are trauma specialists.  They are not family practice specialists/internists, who would be the kind of physicians who would give tests that would discover blood clots.

No, a doctor doesnt have to be a family practice doctor or a internist to give a test for blood clotting.  That is just silly. The issue here is that she presented with a sprained ankle not symptoms consistent with blood clots.  Meri is quite right.  If she had told the doctor what she had told others about prolonged pain in her legs she probably would have been treated differently and the tests probably would have been run.


The point I think you are trying to make in a round about way is that if she had better health care this would have been discovered by someone like a family doctor.  I agree.  It is the great weakness of the American healthcare system that you spend more per capita on health care and get so much less.

One day you folks will wake up to the fact that your system sucks and move to a single payer model.

Have you tried to find a family doctor recently?

The economics of health care are screwed up across the western world.

[crazy canuck]

Even if you cant find a family doctor you can still go to any clinic you wish to get your aches and pains looked at.  If this woman had access to medical care rather than waiting to go to an emergency room she would be alive today.

[grumbler]

No, a doctor doesnt have to be a family practice doctor or a internist to give a test for blood clotting.  That is just silly.

Since no one is claiming that a doctor has "to be a family practice doctor or a internist to give a test for blood clotting," I don't see what this comment has to do with anything. Of course your strawman argument is silly. ER doctors are trauma specialists.  They deal with the issues they are faced with, and attempt to resolve them (or at least stabilize the patient enough for more extensive treatment by other doctors at the hospital).  A woman who complains of a sprained ankle and presents the symptoms of a sprained ankle will be treated for a sprained ankle.  Had she complained of chest pains, then she would have been tested for things that would cause those symptoms, like blood clots (even those these doctors are not family physicians).  Without any indication of blood clots, though, the doctors won't test for them, family practice physicians or not.  They have more patients, in pain, waiting for them.

Family practice doctors are trained to do more extensive tests on more elusive symptoms, because they don't have more patients, in pain, waiting for them.  These guys were not family practice doctors, though.  They are trauma specialists, and treat immediate symptoms.

[crazy canuck]

No, a doctor doesnt have to be a family practice doctor or a internist to give a test for blood clotting.  That is just silly.

Since no one is claiming that a doctor has "to be a family practice doctor or a internist to give a test for blood clotting," I don't see what this comment has to do with anything.

Oh good, another Grumbler semantic dodge.

Family practice doctors are trained to do more extensive tests on more elusive symptoms, because they don't have more patients, in pain, waiting for them.  These guys were not family practice doctors, though.  They are trauma specialists, and treat immediate symptoms

Did you pull this out of thin air or are American doctors really so limited?  Fyi the doctors dont actually do the tests.  The doctors order the tests.  Any doctor who has the training to call themselves by that name knows how to order such a test.

Maybe American emergency doctors are so ill trained that they cannot deal with blood clots.  That would be surprising though.  Do you have a link or are you just making this up?

[garbon]

I like CC championing that doctors should run a full battery of tests when someone shows up with the most minor of injuries. Sigh, if only money grew on trees.

[crazy canuck]

I like CC championing that doctors should run a full battery of tests when someone shows up with the most minor of injuries. Sigh, if only money grew on trees.

Where did I say that?  Are you taking Grumbler pills too?

[Razgovory]

garbon is defensive because he made good money being part of the problem with healthcare.

[garbon]

garbon is defensive because he made good money being part of the problem with healthcare.

Yep market research is a big part of the problem.

[HVC]

garbon is defensive because he made good money being part of the problem with healthcare.

Yep market research is a big part of the problem.

the big conspiracy machine needs every cog

[crazy canuck]

Well that explains the comment.