Tenn. Science Bill Allowing Creationism In Schools Passes State Senate

[Razgovory]

Question:  Was there a previous law that prohibited students from questioning a scientific theory before?

[jimmy olsen]

We have had that in Texas forever and what it meant for me was 'ok so there is this creationism thing...but enough about that on to the science curriculum'.  And it seems like this is the same thing as it will not impact the science curriculum.  Maybe I am just ignorant but I do not see the harm in just mentioning this issue in schools.

Can we mention "that vaccination causes autism" in schools too as an alternative hypothesis to vaccines wiping out polio and smallpox? Maybe we can have the career counselors in high school talk about how chiropractors, homeopaths, and astrologists are wonderful and respectable career choices as well. There is absolutely no harm in polluting our nation's children with pseudoscience instruction from the government. It's not like it legitimizes it in the minds of the public at all.

Some of those make good money. It's the counselor's job to help kids find good paying jobs (has long as they're not illegal).

[Fate]

We have had that in Texas forever and what it meant for me was 'ok so there is this creationism thing...but enough about that on to the science curriculum'.  And it seems like this is the same thing as it will not impact the science curriculum.  Maybe I am just ignorant but I do not see the harm in just mentioning this issue in schools.

Can we mention "that vaccination causes autism" in schools too as an alternative hypothesis to vaccines wiping out polio and smallpox? Maybe we can have the career counselors in high school talk about how chiropractors, homeopaths, and astrologists are wonderful and respectable career choices as well. There is absolutely no harm in polluting our nation's children with pseudoscience instruction from the government. It's not like it legitimizes it in the minds of the public at all.

Some of those make good money. It's the counselor's job to help kids find good paying jobs (has long as they're not illegal).

Those aren't good jobs. They're nothing but scam artist professions that are little better than lawyers or Republicans.

[Valmy]

Can we mention "that vaccination causes autism" in schools too as an alternative hypothesis to vaccines wiping out polio and smallpox? Maybe we can have the career counselors in high school talk about how chiropractors, homeopaths, and astrologists are wonderful and respectable career choices as well. There is absolutely no harm in polluting our nation's children with pseudoscience instruction from the government. It's not like it legitimizes it in the minds of the public at all.

Sure.  Probably the same way.  'There are people who believe Autism is caused by Vaccines.  Here is the evidence.'  That was how it worked in my classroom.

[Valmy]

Those aren't good jobs. They're nothing but scam artist professions that are little better than lawyers or Republicans.

There is no lower scum than the counselor who would advise children to become lawyers.

[DontSayBanana]

Retards.  Slip it into the history curriculum and you could successfully argue that you're just giving students an early leg up on anthropology.

[Viking]

Can we mention "that vaccination causes autism" in schools too as an alternative hypothesis to vaccines wiping out polio and smallpox? Maybe we can have the career counselors in high school talk about how chiropractors, homeopaths, and astrologists are wonderful and respectable career choices as well. There is absolutely no harm in polluting our nation's children with pseudoscience instruction from the government. It's not like it legitimizes it in the minds of the public at all.

Sure.  Probably the same way.  'There are people who believe Autism is caused by Vaccines.  Here is the evidence.'  That was how it worked in my classroom.

[The Brain]

OK.

[Razgovory]

There are a lot of people who actually believe that it is illegal to pray in school in the US.  That is not the case.  I think it's illegal to for a teacher to lead the class in prayer or any religious ceremony in a public school, but that's not the say as saying prayer is illegal.

[Viking]

OK.

Here's the full Chick Tract Big Daddy


The point by point refutation of Big Daddy from Iron Chariots


Edit: I realize the irony of my presenting you with both sides of an issue and letting you decide while arguing that this should not be done in the classroom.

[Razgovory]

You have a wiki in place to tell you what to say to every known argument for the existence of God.    That's really weird.

[Viking]

You have a wiki in place to tell you what to say to every known argument for the existence of God.    That's really weird.

A quick google of "catholic apologetics"

gives me one million sevenhundred and thirty thousand hits. If one makes me wierd, how wierd does 1,730,000 make you?

[Razgovory]

You have a wiki in place to tell you what to say to every known argument for the existence of God.    That's really weird.

A quick google of "catholic apologetics"

gives me one million sevenhundred and thirty thousand hits. If one makes me wierd, how wierd does 1,730,000 make you?

Are any of them wikis?  Are all of them actually websites that promote "Catholic apologetic"?  Here I can type in "Atheism Defense"  http://www.google.com/search?q=Athiesm+defense&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=w0U&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&ei=9vZtT_PhEofO2AX36t3xAQ&ved=0CB4QvwUoAQ&q=Atheism+defense&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=61ced53140c9a9e9&biw=1600&bih=766  I got 12 million and half hits.  I don't think that the number of hits on Google means a great deal, but you seem to.

I think I see why you need this wiki to tell you what to say now. Carry on.

[Viking]

googling "catholic apologetics" gives 1,73 million
googling catholic defense gives 115 million

But, you do make the point that not all 1,73 million sites are catholic apologetics sites, they might be pages referring to catholic apologetics. The first 40 listed are catholic apologetics sites or sites selling books on catholic apologetics. I didn't look any further. However being shocked by what a couple of guys in Austin Texas are doing with a wiki leaves open the question what your view of what the catholic church has been doing these past 2000 years if not asserting something without evidence and then making up arguments to try and justify any counter argument.

I don't think you understand what the word apologetics means and how the Catholic Church invented it.

[Razgovory]

I understand that I don't have wiki bookmarked to give me arguments and that you do.  Still, if you are happy with your Google hits numbers and what ever comfort that provides you, go for it.  We all have our little crutches to get us through our lives.