Climate Change about to become major issue in Canada

[HVC]

Eggplants, spics and wetbacks - other invasive species moving northwards. Some to Toronto, some all the way to Alaska!  Hijacking perfectly good threads with their filthy languages!

you'd have no houses if we didn't move north

[Maximus]

I have no idea what is causing it, but the creep northwards of species previously found further south is undeniable here in Ontario over the last 20 years.

My father has been an outdoorsman for most of his 75 years and he is very definite about this - for example, he has spotted turkey vultures north of North Bay in Kippawa, where they were previously unknown; plus, I've noticed it myself - like the previously-mentioned surprise of seeing an opossum in Toronto.

Whether this is due to man-made climate change or simply a random fluctuation, I'm unqualified to say. What I can say is that when you see multiple species used to warmer temperatures moving northwards, that is visual proof that there is a reasonably long-term change in temperatures on the average.

This seems to be widespread. Skunks and raccoons first made their appearances in the area I grew up in about 15 years ago.

[crazy canuck]

Given that the fluctuations in temperature show a near perfect correlation with solar activity that would lead a rational human being to conclude that it is the sun that is driving the climate.  Then again the global warming crowd has never been known for rationality or science.

You should advise your disinformation network to update their arguments.

We reexamine observational evidence presented in support of the hypothesis of a sun-climate complexity linking by N. Scafetta and B. J. West, Phys. Rev. Lett. 90 248701 (2003), which contended that the integrated solar flare index (SFI) and the global temperature anomaly (GTA) both follow Lévy walk statistics with the same waiting-time exponent μ≈2.1. However, their analysis does not account for trends in the signal, cannot deal correctly with infinite variance processes (Lévy flights), and suffers from considering only the second moment. Our analysis shows that properly detrended, the integrated SFI is well described as a Lévy flight, and the integrated GTA as a persistent fractional Brownian motion. These very different stochastic properties of the solar and climate records do not support the hypothesis of a sun-climate complexity linking.

http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v104/i12/e128501

Lots of big scientific words there Hans.  But in short, the early study finding a correlation was flawed and drew incorrect conclusions.

[The Brain]

Lots of brown people have wandered up here the past decades. Some of them seem to nest and breed.

[Neil]

One thing that Hans is correct about is that there is no evidence whatsoever that climate change is caused by anything unnatural.

[Jacob]

One thing that Hans is correct about is that there is no evidence whatsoever that climate change is caused by anything unnatural.

Especially if you consider human activity natural.

[Duque de Bragança]

'Coche'. 'Carro' and 'caro' don't sound anywhere near the same. 'Carro' has a strong 'r', which most foreigners cannot pronounce.

I did see some ice a couple weeks ago while driving through some mountain passes. Didn't have any hockey equipment handy though.

trust me, to someone who doesn't pseak spanish or portuguese it would sound the same Carro just has a (more) rolled r.

Emphasis mine It explains a lot about you 
Foreigners would actually hear a difference but would not be able to pronounce the strong trilled r or even the soft one.

i pronounce it right. i can roll my r's like the best of them . why do you hate me so, is it becasue you think i use drivar?

Yes.

[viper37]

What is this mythical global warming they are talking about?  There hasn't been any in the last 15 years, nor has there been any abnormal warming trends since the end of the "little ice age".

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

[HVC]

i pronounce it right. i can roll my r's like the best of them . why do you hate me so, is it becasue you think i use drivar?

Yes.

but i don't! Actually, if you heard me i apparently have a weird mixture of a Lisbon accent with a nazarean one (the one south of leiria, not in Israel ) . Some Azorean pronunciation is thrown in there, but not their actual words (ie no drivar, no parkar, etc.)

[KRonn]

I have no idea what is causing it, but the creep northwards of species previously found further south is undeniable here in Ontario over the last 20 years.

My father has been an outdoorsman for most of his 75 years and he is very definite about this - for example, he has spotted turkey vultures north of North Bay in Kippawa, where they were previously unknown; plus, I've noticed it myself - like the previously-mentioned surprise of seeing an opossum in Toronto.

Whether this is due to man-made climate change or simply a random fluctuation, I'm unqualified to say. What I can say is that when you see multiple species used to warmer temperatures moving northwards, that is visual proof that there is a reasonably long-term change in temperatures on the average.

Sadly, I think the major new wildlife we got in Massachusetts over the last 20-30 years is the coyote. And that isn't likely due to any warming, more likely a natural move by the critters as more of them proliferate elsewhere and have to move on.

[Razgovory]

Given that the fluctuations in temperature show a near perfect correlation with solar activity that would lead a rational human being to conclude that it is the sun that is driving the climate.  Then again the global warming crowd has never been known for rationality or science.

You should advise your disinformation network to update their arguments.

We reexamine observational evidence presented in support of the hypothesis of a sun-climate complexity linking by N. Scafetta and B. J. West, Phys. Rev. Lett. 90 248701 (2003), which contended that the integrated solar flare index (SFI) and the global temperature anomaly (GTA) both follow Lévy walk statistics with the same waiting-time exponent μ≈2.1. However, their analysis does not account for trends in the signal, cannot deal correctly with infinite variance processes (Lévy flights), and suffers from considering only the second moment. Our analysis shows that properly detrended, the integrated SFI is well described as a Lévy flight, and the integrated GTA as a persistent fractional Brownian motion. These very different stochastic properties of the solar and climate records do not support the hypothesis of a sun-climate complexity linking.

http://prl.aps.org/abstract/PRL/v104/i12/e128501

Lots of big scientific words there Hans.  But in short, the early study finding a correlation was flawed and drew incorrect conclusions.

You can't disprove one science with more science!  That's like cheating.

[Valmy]

What is this mythical global warming they are talking about?  There hasn't been any in the last 15 years, nor has there been any abnormal warming trends since the end of the "little ice age".

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Yes...but who is doing the lying?

And actually truth is not that big of a mortal enemy because it gets lost in all the background noise.

Anyway I am not really clear if Hans is saying 'yes there is climate change but it is natural and good' or 'no there is no significant climate change at all'.  I think he is saying the later but even if it was it would be natural and a good thing or something like that.

[viper37]

or 'no there is no significant climate change at all'. 
I think he is saying the later but even if it was it would be natural and a good thing or something like that.

I keep hearing the same argument from so-called right-wingers.  They truly believe there's been no warming since the last 10-15 years (it changes depending on whom you talk to).  Someone said so without real evidence, and now they believe it.

[Razgovory]

Well clearly it's the extremely organized cabal of scientists around the world who are lying.

[MadImmortalMan]

There you have it. The sun has nothing to do with our climate.