NFL Offseason 2012: Because contract negotiations are part of the excitement

Started by CountDeMoney, March 01, 2012, 01:55:25 PM

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Valmy

Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 03:33:15 PM
Giving up the #6 and and a 2nd round to move up into the #2 slot overall is a substantial difference.  Of course, if you understood the economics of the league draft, you'd know that the top 5 slots in the draft order are substantially different than the 6-10 slots.  So while they may be in the same round, they're certain not the same #1 round picks. 

Of course, look who I'm talking to: Vince Young's business math study-buddy.  HOOK EM HORNS DUH

Ok move the goal posts around and start backtracking into "economics of the draft".

Seriously why do you care how I feel about it?
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

MadBurgerMaker

 :huh:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7677375/sources-dallas-cowboys-washington-redskins-lose-millions-cap-space

QuoteThe NFL is taking away millions of dollars of salary-cap space belonging to the Dallas Cowboys and Washington Redskins for front-loading contracts during the uncapped 2010 season, according to league sources.

The salary cap is projected to be $120.6 million in 2012, but the Cowboys will lose $10 million, while the Redskins will be docked $36 million in cap space, sources said.

Dallas and Washington can split the cap loss over the 2012 and '13 seasons in whatever form they prefer, with $1.6 million each going to 28 other NFL teams, the sources said.


The New Orleans Saints and Oakland Raiders are the only two teams that will not receive a portion of the money.

"The Management Council Executive Committee determined that the contract practices of a small number of clubs during the 2010 league year created an unacceptable risk to future competitive balance, particularly in light of the relatively modest salary cap growth projected for the new agreement's early years," the league said in a statement Monday. "To remedy these effects and preserve competitive balance throughout the league, the parties to the CBA agreed to adjustments to team salary for the 2012 and 2013 seasons.

"These agreed-upon adjustments were structured in a manner that will not affect the salary cap or player spending on a league-wide basis."

During the pre-lockout 2010 season, the collective bargaining agreement expired and the league operated without a salary cap.

According to sources, the Cowboys and Redskins took immediate cap hits during the 2010 season that normally would have been spread out over the length of the contracts, giving them an advantage that other NFL owners found unfair.

In September 2010, the Cowboys signed wide receiver Miles Austin to a six-year extension worth $54 million and paid him a $17 million base salary that season.

Also, as part of the original deal, Austin was to receive a base salary of $8.5 million in 2011, but Dallas created cap room before the season by lowering Austin's salary to $685,000 and turning $7.855 million into a signing bonus.

The league took an abnormally long time to release the 2012 cap number, due in part to the fact that the league was trying to decide how to handle the issues, the sources said.

According to the sources, the deductions are not termed as violations, but are part of a recent agreement the NFL and the Players Association made to raise the salary cap number while preserving benefit increases and the performance pool.

$36 million is a shitload of lost cap space.

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 05:35:53 PM
Seriously why do you care how I feel about it?

You're a Foreskins fan, and I need to rub your fucking face in it until you pass on from this Earth, because they're a filthy piece of shit organization; they and their fans deserves every fucking failing they are to ever endure, either now or in space.

sbr

Seems odd they get punished for going over a salary cap in an uncapped year.  Though I am always happy to see those two teams get shafted.

Valmy

Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2012, 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 05:35:53 PM
Seriously why do you care how I feel about it?

You're a Foreskins fan, and I need to rub your fucking face in it until you pass on from this Earth, because they're a filthy piece of shit organization; they and their fans deserves every fucking failing they are to ever endure, either now or in space.

Eh while they suck it doesn't bother me too much.  Being a Washington Caps fan gives me about 100x the misery because they are actually good and just keep fucking up.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Valmy

Quote from: sbr on March 12, 2012, 05:47:03 PM
Seems odd they get punished for going over a salary cap in an uncapped year.  Though I am always happy to see those two teams get shafted.

Well there is that consolation.  At least the cowgirls went down with them.  The two greatest owners evah!
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

CountDeMoney

Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2012, 05:51:41 PM
Being a Washington Caps fan gives me about 100x the misery because they are actually good and just keep fucking up.

I'm not even that cruel.

Yeah, I am.  They choke more than amateur porn.  AND THEYLL DO IT AGAIN THIS YEAR

Valmy

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on March 12, 2012, 05:44:10 PM
$36 million is a shitload of lost cap space.

I know it is pretty funny.  The Redskins made me sorta interested for less than a day before fucking it up.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

MadBurgerMaker

More:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-to-lose-36-million-in-cap-space-over-two-years/2012/03/12/gIQABbe27R_blog.html

Quote"All the clubs were warned not to do anything to create a competitive advantage when the salary cap came back, and that's what [the Redskins] did," said one of the people familiar with the matter. "They were very obvious about it. A lot of people were very angry about it. The ramifications could have been far worse for them. They could have lost draft picks. Some people recommended that to the commissioner."

According to that person, the Redskins reworked some player contracts to pay them large sums during the uncapped 2010 season and save money against the cap in subsequent years. The person said the Redskins, in large part because of those maneuvers, had a player payroll far in excess of other teams' payrolls.

sbr

I still don't get it.  The players union stance was that if 2010 was uncapped they would never agree to go back to a salary cap.  It was obviously a bargaining stance, but you can't say it was inevitable that they would go back to having a cap.

sbr

Yahoo is reporting randy moss has agreed to terms with the 49ers.

MadBurgerMaker

Matt Leinart has been released by the Texans.   

Along with Eric Winston. :blink: :blink: :blink: I don't like that at all.

sbr


katmai

I don't know what to think about Randy Moss a Niner, reports are he's running a 4.4 still at age 35, and maybe Harbaugh won't put up with his shit so he'll shape up.


And wtf MBM how is Mario Williams already a free agent, I would have thought Texans would keep him wrapped up.
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MadBurgerMaker

Quote from: sbr on March 12, 2012, 09:54:48 PM
Do they have any chance to keep Mario williams?

I don't think so, unless he takes a big discount.  They still have to re-sign their C and RG, and good god they really need to keep those guys since they just dropped their starting RT.  The D was really really good last year even without him, so I think while they would like to keep him, he's probably one of their more "expendable" free agents.

E:
QuoteAnd wtf MBM how is Mario Williams already a free agent, I would have thought Texans would keep him wrapped up.

Unless they pull some money out of their ass, they can't afford to make Mario the highest paid defensive player ever, which is a title he's very possibly going to have (for a little while at least) when he signs.   They needed to sign Foster, their C, and RG.  I guess it's a good thing they didn't give Williams a monster front loaded contract in 2010.  Heh.

E2: Well...I guess...er...I guess maybe Winston wasn't playing all that well compared to the other three regulars on the line.  I still don't like it, but shit, I'm just a dude.  Stats:

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7815&team=34  Winston. 
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8803&team=34  Brown, the LT.  Also notable for breaking James Harrison's face.
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=7376&team=34  Meyers, the C who is a free agent. 
http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=8098&team=34  Brisiel, the RG who also needs to be resigned. 

:hmm:

The LG kind of rotated.