Raz History Question: Were the airborne landings in Normandy worth the cost?

Started by Razgovory, January 09, 2012, 07:38:41 PM

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Ed Anger

#15
January 09, 2012, 09:24:29 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 09, 2012, 09:22:19 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 09, 2012, 07:50:40 PM


Now Monty's faggotry in Holland was shitastic.

It was rather epic.

The Polish Airborne brigade should have stormed his HQ and assraped him.
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#16
January 09, 2012, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 09, 2012, 09:22:19 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 09, 2012, 07:50:40 PM


Now Monty's faggotry in Holland was shitastic.

It was rather epic.
Not so epic as the large numbers of Brits who still defend him.
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11B4V

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January 09, 2012, 10:36:12 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on January 09, 2012, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on January 09, 2012, 09:22:19 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 09, 2012, 07:50:40 PM


Now Monty's faggotry in Holland was shitastic.

It was rather epic.
Not so epic as the large numbers of Brits who still defend him.

What does that got to do with the Brits and glorious epic failures?
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#18
January 09, 2012, 10:38:27 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 09, 2012, 07:38:41 PM
What say you?

That you're approaching Tim/Gingrich territory.  :P
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#19
January 09, 2012, 11:11:19 PM
American Landings - They were in support of Utah Beach, which suffered the least casualties of all the beaches iirc - so obviously the plan was good and worked fine. They were worth it.

British Landings - They took Pegasus Bridge and covered the left flank of Sword Beach.

So, I'd say the worked fine.
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#20
January 10, 2012, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 09, 2012, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 09, 2012, 07:38:41 PM
Thread title speaks for itself.  The American soldiers in particular suffered heavy casualties in this operation.  They did capture their objectives,

You just answered your own fucking question, Eisenhower.

Capturing objectives does not make an operation cost effective.
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#21
January 10, 2012, 03:01:39 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 10, 2012, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 09, 2012, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 09, 2012, 07:38:41 PM
Thread title speaks for itself.  The American soldiers in particular suffered heavy casualties in this operation.  They did capture their objectives,

You just answered your own fucking question, Eisenhower.

Capturing objectives does not make an operation cost effective.

Yes, it does.  Except maybe Stalingrad.

dps

#22
January 10, 2012, 06:20:15 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 10, 2012, 03:01:39 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 10, 2012, 12:03:14 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 09, 2012, 09:20:16 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 09, 2012, 07:38:41 PM
Thread title speaks for itself.  The American soldiers in particular suffered heavy casualties in this operation.  They did capture their objectives,

You just answered your own fucking question, Eisenhower.

Capturing objectives does not make an operation cost effective.

Yes, it does.  Except maybe Stalingrad.

Don't know that Stalingrad fits, given that the Germans never actually captured all of it.

Rostov in '41 might make the point better--the Germans took it, but weren't able to hold it. 

Razgovory

#23
January 10, 2012, 06:39:12 AM
Hurtgen Forest is an excellent example of objectives that weren't worth it.
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11B4V

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January 10, 2012, 06:47:52 AM Last Edit: January 10, 2012, 07:01:13 AM by 11B4V
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Don't know that Stalingrad fits, given that the Germans never actually captured all of it.
Sure it does.

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Rostov in '41 might make the point better--the Germans took it, but weren't able to hold it.
How does that concern the cost or importance?

The cost of the effort is as important. i.e. Arnhem, resulted in at least one destroyed British Airborne Division and Polish Brigade. 2nd battle of Kharkov, several destroyed Russian field Armies...etc
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"We've reached one of our phase lines after the firefight and it smells bad—meaning it's a little bit suspicious... Could be an amb—".

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#25
January 10, 2012, 07:30:32 AM
Quote from: Caliga on January 09, 2012, 08:14:15 PM
Strom Thurmond failed to get killed in the landings, so I'd say we didn't pay with enough blood. :)

Wasn't he under Forrest's command?
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#26
January 10, 2012, 11:45:10 AM
I thought airborne casualties were not particularly heavy.

The Brain

#27
January 10, 2012, 11:47:34 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 10, 2012, 11:45:10 AM
I thought airborne casualties were not particularly heavy.

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#28
January 10, 2012, 12:18:05 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 10, 2012, 06:39:12 AM
Hurtgen Forest is an excellent example of objectives that weren't worth it.
Agreed.

Zanza

#29
January 10, 2012, 12:43:15 PM
Why did they attack Hürtgen Forest anyway? Couldn't they just leave it at the flank and go for Cologne straight?
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