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Started by jimmy olsen, December 19, 2011, 07:06:58 PM

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Ideologue

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Well, I don't think voting for Cain would get me anywhere. :P

As I mentioned earlier, I have two sometimes competing goals--to vote for an unelectable candidate, and to vote for whoever can do the most damage to the frontrunner and continue the conflict.  The first goal doesn't look like it can be satisfied--Romney and Gingrich have some chance of being elected--but since the frontrunner is Romney, I will probably vote for Gingrich unless he utterly collapses in the next 24 hours, which I feel is very unlikely.

With the scandal stuff being opened up on him, all the better, since in subsequent primaries he may suffer, as he has made Romney suffer.  They will cut each others' throats and Obama will sail to victory on a sea of their blood.  It'll be great.

Of course, ideally, Santorum or Paul would be the contender; I'd love to help them in the primary, because they are both completely unelectable.
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Quote from: Ideologue on January 19, 2012, 04:22:45 PM
Well, I don't think voting for Cain would get me anywhere. :P


Well, I suggested Cain on the grounds that "Americans for a better Tomorrow, Tomorrow" is campaigning for Cain even having Steven Colbert play Cain in it's ads.
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Quote from: mongers on January 19, 2012, 03:45:30 PM
For what it's worth, I've seen that so many times in libertarian 'conservative' types they espouse policies about personal responsibility and limited government, and yet when push comes to shove the only loyalty they demonstrate in their private lives is to whatever their selfish motivation happens to be at that moment.

In short narcissistic, egotistical 'takers'.

Newt is anything but a "libertartian 'conservative' type."
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mongers

Quote from: Habbaku on January 19, 2012, 05:52:04 PM
Quote from: mongers on January 19, 2012, 03:45:30 PM
For what it's worth, I've seen that so many times in libertarian 'conservative' types they espouse policies about personal responsibility and limited government, and yet when push comes to shove the only loyalty they demonstrate in their private lives is to whatever their selfish motivation happens to be at that moment.

In short narcissistic, egotistical 'takers'.

Newt is anything but a "libertartian 'conservative' type."

Sorry, I was using both as terms of abuse.   ;)
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Quote from: Valmy on January 19, 2012, 01:30:39 PM
Quote from: fahdiz on January 19, 2012, 12:33:49 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 19, 2012, 12:17:19 PM
What about Ron Paul?  The guy has come in second in the last two runs.

He's completely unelectable :mellow:

Sort of the sad part is he gets most attacked in these primaries for the good stuff, the foreign policy stuff, and everybody seems to be cool with the bad stuff.

I naturally disagree with Raz that he is a one issue guy and completely obsessed with ending income tax.

Well of course you do, you are going to vote for the bastard.  What is his foreign policy anyway?  I thought it could be summed up as "Neo-Isolationism".
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fhdz

Quote from: Razgovory on January 19, 2012, 06:02:44 PM
What is his foreign policy anyway?  I thought it could be summed up as "Neo-Isolationism".

He's opposed to the neoconservative-style "spread democracy" use of our armed forces.
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Is Gingrich flirting with the gold standard? http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/18/news/economy/gingrich_gold_standard/

And here I thought I couldn't have a lower opinion of the man.

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Romney leads Obama in 5 of 6 swing states

'Romney was tested against Obama in six states: Florida, Ohio, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia and Wisconsin. Romney led in all but New Mexico, where the race was an exact tie.

Romney bested the president in Florida by 5 points, in Ohio by 7 points, in Nevada by 11 points, in Virginia by 3 points and in Wisconsin by a mere 1 percentage point.'

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/gop-poll-romney-leads-obama-in-of-swing-states-111368.html

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Quote from: Phillip V on January 19, 2012, 07:06:11 PM
Romney bested the president in Florida by 5 points, in Ohio by 7 points, in Nevada by 11 points, in Virginia by 3 points and in Wisconsin by a mere 1 percentage point.'

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/gop-poll-romney-leads-obama-in-of-swing-states-111368.html

Color me extremely skeptical of the bolded bit.
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Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 19, 2012, 07:27:03 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on January 19, 2012, 07:06:11 PM
Romney bested the president in Florida by 5 points, in Ohio by 7 points, in Nevada by 11 points, in Virginia by 3 points and in Wisconsin by a mere 1 percentage point.'

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/gop-poll-romney-leads-obama-in-of-swing-states-111368.html

Color me extremely skeptical of the bolded bit.

It's a poll 10 months out.  Who cares?

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Oh Gingrich is brilliant and evil.  During the debate he's released his tax returns and put them online :lol:

After Romney's cowardice on the open marriage thing I don't know that he expected that.
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Razgovory

Quote from: fahdiz on January 19, 2012, 06:10:22 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 19, 2012, 06:02:44 PM
What is his foreign policy anyway?  I thought it could be summed up as "Neo-Isolationism".

He's opposed to the neoconservative-style "spread democracy" use of our armed forces.

It's a little more then just that, Fahdiz.  Such as closing the US bases in Europe, Korea and Japan.  Pretty much ending all foreign aid, end sanctions against Iran.  Also the ending US involvement in the UN and NATO.  By themselves, one or two of his foreign policy might be defensible.  Together we see an ideology of an isolationist.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Sheilbh on January 19, 2012, 08:46:48 PM
Oh Gingrich is brilliant and evil.  During the debate he's released his tax returns and put them online :lol:



I think that sums up my opinion of the man.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017