American Gun Ownership Highest In 18 Years

[garbon]

But as dps explained that isn't using the term wrong then. It can be unconstitutional in Washington because of that's state's constitution but simultaneously not unconstitutional with regards to the US wide one.

[The Brain]

But as dps explained that isn't using the term wrong then. It can be unconstitutional in Washington because of that's state's constitution but simultaneously not unconstitutional with regards to the US wide one.

You have to be fucking with me. Did you even read the conversation you responded to?

[Syt]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45027237

US release of 3D-printed gun software blocked

A US federal judge in Seattle has blocked the release of software that allows consumers to 3D-print firearms.

Gun access advocacy group Defense Distributed published downloadable gun blueprints five days early on Friday.

The firm had reached a settlement with the Trump administration in June to allow it to legally publish the plans.

But eight states and the District of Columbia sued the government on Monday to block the settlement, arguing the untraceable guns were a safety risk.

US District Judge Robert Lasnik issued a temporary restraining order halting the release hours before the 1 August deadline, saying the blueprints could fall into the wrong hands.

"There are 3D printers in public colleges and public spaces and there is the likelihood of potential irreparable harm," he said.

Judge Lasnik scheduled another hearing for 10 August.

Although Defense Distributed had been expected to publish the blueprints on Wednesday, it uploaded files for nine types of gun to its website last week. Between Friday and Sunday, more than 1,000 people downloaded the files for building an AR-15 rifle - the same gun used in many of America's mass shootings.

Which states are fighting the release?
The lawsuit against the Trump administration was filed in Seattle, Washington, by the state's Attorney General Bob Ferguson.

New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Oregon, Maryland in addition to the District of Columbia are involved.

The complaint calls the 1 Aug release of gun blueprints "a bell that cannot be un-rung".

"The Government has made no determination regarding the national security implications of the agreement, or its effects on sovereign US states' ability to protect the safety of those within their borders."

In addition, 20 state attorneys general have written to the State Department and Department of Justice about blocking the gun blueprints online.

What's been the reaction?
Speaking outside the court, Washington attorney general Bob Ferguson called the judge's decision a "complete, total victory".

"Everything we asked for we got from Judge Lasnik," he said, and called on President Trump to make it "unlawful for anyone to make this information available for anyone".

The president had tweeted on Tuesday before the ruling that selling 3D guns to the public "doesn't seem to make much sense" after settling with Defense Distributed in June.

But the group's founder Cody Wilson told the BBC the 3D gun was not a threat to public safety.

"I haven't watched any crimes be committed with it," he said.

"As far as I know only one person's ever been arrested because of this gun and it was gentleman in Japan who was curious about making it."

How was the printable gun developed?
The arguments began in 2013 when Mr Wilson, a self-styled crypto-anarchist, showed off the world's first 3D-printed gun.

Files showing how to replicate the process were immediately made available on the Defense Distributed website and downloaded hundreds of thousands of times.

It led the US State Department to order them to be removed from the internet.

There followed a four-year legal battle, with Defense Distributed joining forces with the Second Amendment Foundation - which defends the right to own guns - to sue the State Department.

Last month, in a surprise move, it won its case, with the US Justice Department ruling that Americans may "access, discuss, use and reproduce" the technical data.

Mr Wilson hailed his victory as the beginning of "the age of the downloadable gun".

But critics are concerned it will see a massive rise in so-called ghost guns, unregistered weapons the government is unaware of and is unable to trace.

Since the legal action began, Defense Distributed has been working on new gun designs and has also created a milling device - known as Ghost Gunner - that can turn parts purchased online into a fully working weapon.

[Tamas]

Seeing some Facebook feed via some of you American people, I was fairly shocked to see that this 3D gun is also defended by the "OMG you take our guns you take our liberty" crowd.

WTF is the logical reason to having this one-shot thing apart from trying to sneak it in somewhere where you can commit a crime? Surely it is totally useless for self defense especially when you can legally carry far better weaponry.

It's mental.

[mongers]

Seeing some Facebook feed via some of you American people, I was fairly shocked to see that this 3D gun is also defended by the "OMG you take our guns you take our liberty" crowd.

WTF is the logical reason to having this one-shot thing apart from trying to sneak it in somewhere where you can commit a crime? Surely it is totally useless for self defense especially when you can legally carry far better weaponry.

It's mental.

Only in America. basements and single bedrooms across the world.

[Valmy]

Seeing some Facebook feed via some of you American people, I was fairly shocked to see that this 3D gun is also defended by the "OMG you take our guns you take our liberty" crowd.

WTF is the logical reason to having this one-shot thing apart from trying to sneak it in somewhere where you can commit a crime? Surely it is totally useless for self defense especially when you can legally carry far better weaponry.

It's mental.

A need to be ideologically consistent I think. And a suspicion that any action by a government agent is an attempt to set up a police state.

[derspiess]

Seeing some Facebook feed via some of you American people, I was fairly shocked to see that this 3D gun is also defended by the "OMG you take our guns you take our liberty" crowd.

WTF is the logical reason to having this one-shot thing apart from trying to sneak it in somewhere where you can commit a crime? Surely it is totally useless for self defense especially when you can legally carry far better weaponry.

It's mental.

I don't really get worked up about it.  To me it's more of a free speech issue than a gun issue.  Besides, there are easy, legal ways to manufacture a much better firearm receiver at home if you invest in some equipment and buy the rest of the parts.

[Valmy]

Seeing some Facebook feed via some of you American people, I was fairly shocked to see that this 3D gun is also defended by the "OMG you take our guns you take our liberty" crowd.

WTF is the logical reason to having this one-shot thing apart from trying to sneak it in somewhere where you can commit a crime? Surely it is totally useless for self defense especially when you can legally carry far better weaponry.

It's mental.

I don't really get worked up about it.  To me it's more of a free speech issue than a gun issue.  Besides, there are easy, legal ways to manufacture a much better firearm receiver at home if you invest in some equipment and buy the rest of the parts.

Ok wait what is also equivalent to free speech now?

And Tamas already said that part. He was talking about bypassing security and printing a fire arm inside someplace. Manufacturing a gun at home I presume takes some time and skill and money that 3D printing one would not.

I mean that might be a problem...I don't know. 3D printing is a pretty big thing so it is hard to say how it might change society and what implications that might have.

[DGuller]

Seeing some Facebook feed via some of you American people, I was fairly shocked to see that this 3D gun is also defended by the "OMG you take our guns you take our liberty" crowd.

WTF is the logical reason to having this one-shot thing apart from trying to sneak it in somewhere where you can commit a crime? Surely it is totally useless for self defense especially when you can legally carry far better weaponry.

It's mental.

I think at some point people got their logic inverted.  The "what sounds like a bad idea may actually be a good idea" turned into "if it sounds like a bad idea, it must be a good idea".

[MadBurgerMaker]

Manufacturing a gun at home I presume takes some time and skill and money that 3D printing one would not.

Maybe a little more money, not really much more skill unless you're a complete waste of space.  You can buy individual parts on the internet and just put them together (with some minor Dremel tool/drill/whatever work).  Here's a Glock 17:

http://reason.com/archives/2018/05/31/how-to-legally-make-your-own-o

This is also much more reliable than trying to 3D print a gun using the bullshit printer you got for $200 from Office Depot or something (don't do that you'll lose a hand/your face). 

[Valmy]

Yeah but you need to get the parts manufactured and a few tools to assemble.

And it may be more reliable now but that might change in the future.

[MadBurgerMaker]

Yeah but you need to get the parts manufactured and a few tools to assemble.

And it may be more reliable now but that might change in the future.

No, you literally just buy the parts then dremel out some holes for the trigger, etc, using the jigs that tend to come with the 80% lower. Ebay has most of that stuff.

[The Minsky Moment]

To me it's more of a free speech issue than a gun issue. 

A CAD file is speech?

[Syt]

To me it's more of a free speech issue than a gun issue. 

A CAD file is speech?

If dollar bills are free speech, then I guess anything can be.

[Valmy]

Yeah but you need to get the parts manufactured and a few tools to assemble.

And it may be more reliable now but that might change in the future.

No, you literally just buy the parts then dremel out some holes for the trigger, etc, using the jigs that tend to come with the 80% lower. Ebay has most of that stuff.

I got it MBM