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Started by Viking, September 29, 2011, 12:08:08 AM

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Viking

September 29, 2011, 12:08:08 AM
So I've started this up again after reading a MP thread about a finished CK game, which they converted to EU3 and then game then died. But, still, I felt myself inspired, so I found my self my old copy of CK upgraded to DV and got started. Needless to say I fell into the get some BB get revolting minons, who get annexed giving me more BB giving me more revolts. Each revolt causes a drop in prestige...

needless to say, I managed to make myself Emperor and withing 10 years (that was quick) my emperor was hated throughout the world, each province had revolted twice (at least), my prestige was at -20k and I sent out my emperor on suicide mission on the grounds that the heir was not as hated... he didn't die... meh..

the turks went to war and my vassals (which the turks start with claims over) kept surrendering far behind my lines resulting in me defeating the turkish armies on the frontier only to see central anatolia and ionia going turkish as my vassals allowed themselves to be annexed.. so a few points, questions...


1 - How do you prepare heirs, I tried giving my heir all my duchy titles and a sizable demsgne, but that only resulted in, when his vassals revolted all his duchy titles just meant that his prestige fell to -4k and his personality became really shitty as he went around executing former vassals for treason.

2 - Is there ANY reason to give away duchy titles to anybody other than your heir presumtive or to arrange for that talented youngster to become your heir? Dukes seem to revolt just as often as Counts, it's just that County level revolts are easier to put down.

3 - I figured out how to keep the BB from putting down revolts to zero is to revassalize revolters and concede their own claims on their own territory. (1 BB for vassalizing, -1 BB for revoking a claim) If I get this right the ideal size for a county is larger than 1 since each revolter in that case can reduce BB (1 BB for vassalizing, -1 BB per province for revoking claims). Note, you get those claims right back when you vassalize them. Obviously this can't be done successfully for vassals with personality problems (unless I want them to revolt each year to reduce my BB quicker)


Basically I want some tips on BB, Prestige, Piety and Vassal management. I can figure out how they get and spend money.. (actually fighting war is frickin' expensive. I can figure out how to win wars as well keep a balanced budget while the enemy has a net income of -200 per month, then do a quick troop rush run at -800 occupy your targets then offer a peace deal (unless the troop rush can allow me to occupy all his demesgne).
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Viking

#1
September 29, 2011, 02:38:15 AM
BTW, for some Salic goodyness...

The Present King of France Reasonably good, age 29, has 5 daughters and no sons. He has 3 sisters, no brothers. So, there I am trying to figure out if a few strategically placed wars and/or assassinations can make me king of France. Soo.. I try to trace the first in line in his successors list (which it turns out I am not even close to), this boy, Foulques de Montoire (Age 2) is son of the Steward of France (who has no line up through men to any King in this game). His mother however, was 2nd cousin to the previous King of France, her mother was first cousin to the previous king of france, her mother was sister to the present king's grandfather, who was the oldest of three brothers, the decendents of whom are minor courtiers in the County of Badajoz pledging fealty to the French Crown.

How does this stewards son get to be king? I don't get it, but it's through his father, since he is her second son by her second husband. The Steward might just be randomly generated. All of this is very confusing... so basically it seems right now, if the queen of France's 6th kid is not a son, they are going to pick the next king of france by taking a random street urchin out of a random hovel.

Situations like this make me almost recommend Cosanguinity, since all you have to do is pick the best boy with the right name and give him titles and land.
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Viking

#2
September 29, 2011, 02:43:23 AM
Oh, yes, and the queen of France came into her marriage with a pre-existing bastard son...
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Viking

#3
September 29, 2011, 02:46:41 AM
And she just died in childbirth... hmm... should I hitch him up with an ancient crone from my court... or a lithe little de'Normandie daughter?
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Viking

#4
September 29, 2011, 02:49:39 AM
meh, blythe little Isabella de'Normandie, second daughter of the king of england was married off to some no-name son of a refugee from an arab court name Alphonse Salah who got her just so I could keep Isabella's 17 Intrigue rating as Spy Master.

this is fucking addictive...
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Viking

#5
September 29, 2011, 03:13:11 AM
I'm starting to feel sorry for him

Wife 1 Dukes Daughter (includes one previous bastard) - 5 daughters, then death in childbirth
Wife 2 Count's Daughter - death in childbirth
Wife 3 Courtier's Daughter -

First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Viking

#6
September 29, 2011, 03:21:33 AM
Drat... Phillip Capet has been born... groan...
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

ulmont

#7
September 29, 2011, 08:10:20 AM
Quote from: Viking on September 29, 2011, 12:08:08 AM
Basically I want some tips on BB, Prestige, Piety and Vassal management.

For BB, you found it.  Revassalize while conceding your claims on their lands will drop BB.

For prestige, you want to go to war against someone with a claim on your highest title (revolters work well here), then make a peace where you do *not* force them to give up that claim.  The prestige gain will be astronomical (10s of 1000s).

For vassal management, it's usually not that big a deal.  I prefer to keep my vassals as 2 province counts.  Sure, they revolt constantly, but it only takes 2 seconds to conquer them.

Quote from: Viking on September 29, 2011, 12:08:08 AM
I can figure out how to win wars as well keep a balanced budget while the enemy has a net income of -200 per month, then do a quick troop rush run at -800 occupy your targets then offer a peace deal (unless the troop rush can allow me to occupy all his demesgne).

In CK, there's really no good way to win a war other than by occupying all the enemy's demense.

garbon

#8
September 29, 2011, 08:51:20 AM
I'm wondering if I need to reinstall my copy. Ever since I got DV, I typically can't re-vassilize anyone - I've run into that bug that I know was gotten rid of - where vassalizing someone makes you their vassal. :(
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

ulmont

#9
September 29, 2011, 08:53:41 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 29, 2011, 08:51:20 AM
I'm wondering if I need to reinstall my copy. Ever since I got DV, I typically can't re-vassilize anyone - I've run into that bug that I know was gotten rid of - where vassalizing someone makes you their vassal. :(

I'd try a reinstall...but that bug was never fixed for multiplayer, at least not completely.

szmik

#10
September 29, 2011, 11:52:35 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 29, 2011, 08:51:20 AM
I'm wondering if I need to reinstall my copy. Ever since I got DV, I typically can't re-vassilize anyone - I've run into that bug that I know was gotten rid of - where vassalizing someone makes you their vassal. :(
Do you have 2.01beta installed?
Quote from: Neil on September 23, 2011, 08:41:24 AM
That's why Martinus, for all his spending on the trappings of wealth and taste, will never really have class.  He's just trying too hard to be something he isn't (an intelligent, tasteful gentleman), trying desperately to hide what he is (Polish trash with money and a severe behavioral disorder), and it shows in everything he says and does.  He's not our equal, not by a mile.

Viking

#11
September 29, 2011, 01:14:08 PM
No comments on keeping all the vassals counts while keeping all the duchy titles with the king and the heir vs. establishing duchies with real vassals. I want to know if there is any benefit to granting duchy titles to my county vassals?
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Valmy

#12
September 29, 2011, 01:38:42 PM
You get more prestige for having Dukes as vassals.  Also handing them out reduces your BB I think.

I usually wait until my reputation is bad then start handing out Duchies.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."

Viking

#13
September 29, 2011, 01:49:08 PM
You can hand all your Duchy titles to your heir pretty immediately. The problem there is that with the latest patch giving your heir the dutchy of Milan will make all the counts in the geographical duchy his vassals. This opens your heir up to realm collapse in miniature. Something that needs fixing and often merely results in you having to revassalize the revolting duchies themselves. Duchies you can safely bestow are the ones fully covered by demesgne and non vassal territories.

I still want to hear if anybody knows of any reason for giving anybody other than your heir a duchy title?

Note, giving your heir a king title is much more self destructive. I don't mind that my godlike heir has me as his rival, but give that schmuck a king title and he will go to war with me.


I'd like to see a feature in the game where a the duchy title holder has claims on all the portions of the duchy (same for king) allowing for re-unifications after civil wars (as often happened during this period).
First Maxim - "There are only two amounts, too few and enough."
First Corollary - "You cannot have too many soldiers, only too few supplies."
Second Maxim - "Be willing to exchange a bad idea for a good one."
Second Corollary - "You can only be wrong or agree with me."

A terrorist which starts a slaughter quoting Locke, Burke and Mill has completely missed the point.
The fact remains that the only person or group to applaud the Norway massacre are random Islamists.

Valmy

#14
September 29, 2011, 01:52:55 PM
Quote from: Viking on September 29, 2011, 01:49:08 PM
I still want to hear if anybody knows of any reason for giving anybody other than your heir a duchy title?

Besides the stuff I already mentioned I also like it since I can have alot fewer vassals.  That has helped me get through some bad rulers in pretty decent shape when I have 10 Dukes instead of 50 counts.
Quote"This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you'll be bombed."

Zmiinyi defenders: "Russian warship, go fuck yourself."
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