CK - DV Redux

[garbon]

But the in-game import doesn't work all that well, the one time i tried it.

They did some very crappy tag pairing.

[Razgovory]

What I didn't like about the game was that I kept having revolving door vassals.  The would become disloyal, leave my country and in a few year rejoin.  Only to go through the same process again.  It was a annoying.

[szmik]

What I didn't like about the game was that I kept having revolving door vassals.  The would become disloyal, leave my country and in a few year rejoin.  Only to go through the same process again.  It was a annoying.

not in DV, where even with realm duress and bad reputation you can quite easily get your empire back as long as your coffers are full and you have good prestige

[HisMajestyBOB]

Can you import a CK game into EU3 like you could your player characters in the Gold Box games?

I'm almost positive someone made a converter for CK:DV to EU3:DW/HTTT/whatever.
You'll probably have to do some manual editing to clean things up a bit though.

[Viking]

So, Castille. Controlling Castille, Navarra and Toledo plus counties in about half the rest of Spain. Doing OK, 20k prestige, 100% loyalty everywhere slowly but surely grabbing unprotected title, annexing, granting and waiting for bb to fall. No revolts, good stability etc. Everybody happy, apart from Kniggots of Santiago who picked the auspicious moment of the annexation of the last mooselimb in spain to appear, get annexed, re-appear, get annexed, re-appear, get vassalizes, revolt, get annexed etc. Eventually they got the message. Still, merely entertainig. Now, the powers in Spain are Me: Castille+, Galicia (Galicia plus half of andalucia) and Porto (2/3 of portugal, rest galicia and me).

Castilian Kings don't seem to have enough kids since they keep campaigning against mooselimbs and two days after their marriage their wife hates them, finds a lover and cuckolds them. But, there are enough Heir running around so not really a problem. However, my heir was a count under Galicia. Galicia gets realm duress, he is the ONLY count to revolt, he gets annexed and gets -2000 prestige. He then runs off to a court in France to be unemployed. I'm baffled. He could be duke of Austurias and Leon (stats pretty decent) to get that prestige up, but nooo.. unemployment in france for this Castillian Catholic is the first choice. Well, my king eventually dies and the heir takes over at -2000 prestige. All members at court immediately get the -2% loyalty malus that brings. In a few years all my 15+ rated courtiers are gone. My -500 ducat treasury is caused by the steward stealing over 1000 ducats. Eventually with courtiers gone bad events start happening, so my vassals no longer have the nice +4% loyalty from diplomacy and they all fall to -2% loyalt, and in a few years they start revolting, provoking realm duress.

I don't think there is any point playing the game is 90% of my time is spent putting down revolts by vassals who immediately get -5% per month loyalty as soon as they are awarded the demesne. Yes, a revolt from time to time might be fun. But to spend 6 years of game time putting down each vassal two or three times each is just fucking stupid.

It's way way way way way too easy for a vassal to revolt and if a vassal does revolt the AI annexes provoking more vassals to revolt provoking more annexation provoking a collapse to a single duchy. Historically this just happened in germany. That and the impossible cost of actually crusading (the massive cost of naval transport including the even larger cost of maintentnce for the interminable period at sea).

[Darth Wagtaros]

Maybe CK 2 will have it done right.

[Viking]

Maybe CK 2 will have it done right.

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

It's been a long time since I laughed this  hard....

[garbon]

Still sounds like you are doing it wrong (not negating the fact that ck is a flawed gen, of course).

[Viking]

Still sounds like you are doing it wrong (not negating the fact that ck is a flawed gen, of course).

Probably. But, in this case I can't really see what I could have done? My heir was at some other court doing really really stupid shit. Flipping the Navarra Kingdom claim only gained me 400 prestige, but the subsequent revolts blasted me down again. My demesne was plague hit (but my vassals were not strangely enough) so I needed my vassals to fight my wars.

[HisMajestyBOB]

Revolts are a fact of life. I hope CK2 has a good plotting mechanic so that dukes and vassals will cooperate in their revolts.

[Josquius]

I always give away duchies, kings don't get presige from counts iirc, just dukes.
And it makes the vassal screen so much nicer and neater.

[Viking]

I always give away duchies, kings don't get presige from counts iirc, just dukes.
And it makes the vassal screen so much nicer and neater.

If I could give my vassal counts to my vassal dukes without demanding the the title (1 BB) and ceding the province (-0.5 BB) to the duke.

[ulmont]

I always give away duchies, kings don't get presige from counts iirc, just dukes.
And it makes the vassal screen so much nicer and neater.

If I could give my vassal counts to my vassal dukes without demanding the the title (1 BB) and ceding the province (-0.5 BB) to the duke.

That's an easy edit of the save file; the only thing that has to change is the liege=XXXX line of the count's title section.

[szmik]

Still sounds like you are doing it wrong (not negating the fact that ck is a flawed gen, of course).

Probably. But, in this case I can't really see what I could have done? My heir was at some other court doing really really stupid shit. Flipping the Navarra Kingdom claim only gained me 400 prestige, but the subsequent revolts blasted me down again. My demesne was plague hit (but my vassals were not strangely enough) so I needed my vassals to fight my wars.

Send him on crusade, he might die or get captured. The latter happens much often, and I lost a lot of money for ransoms. You may refuse and get him killed.

[HisMajestyBOB]

I always give away duchies, kings don't get presige from counts iirc, just dukes.
And it makes the vassal screen so much nicer and neater.

If I could give my vassal counts to my vassal dukes without demanding the the title (1 BB) and ceding the province (-0.5 BB) to the duke.

If a count is naturally part of a duchy, then they will be part of that duchy when you give away the title.
Ex. If you have Counts of X, Y, and Z that are all part of (Fromage, France), then make Count X the Duke of Fromage, he will have counts Y and Z as his vassals.