Is college a scam?

[garbon]

http://news.yahoo.com/college-scam-201856863.html

Is a college education the biggest scam in US history?

That's the conclusion of a YouTube video called "College Conspiracy" that's drawn more than 2.1 million views online.

The theme has been picked up across that site, often by college students themselves, in videos with angry titles like "My Bachelor's Degree is Worthless," "College is a Rip-off," and "College is an Evil Debt Trap."

With a tough job market, students (and their parents) are making a tough calculation: What will I really learn in college? Will it cost me more in time and money than it's worth?

One set of statistics shows that hundreds of thousands of college graduates today hold bottom-rung positions such as "waiter" or "cashier" that hardly need a degree in business administration. That's a discouraging thought when a four-year-degree could easily cost $100,000 or more.

One argument being heard is that colleges and universities are too often in business to inflate their enrollments with students who don't really belong there – a way to rake in money and create or keep jobs in academia.

And what about billionaire college dropouts, like Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg, whose rocket-ride to fame and fortune in his early 20s was shown in the movie "The Social Network"? Entrepreneur Peter Thiel, the cofounder of PayPal, has even paid a number of talented students $100,000 apiece to drop out of college – which he sees as a waste of their time – so that they can quickly begin careers as high-tech entrepreneurs.

It's fine to question the conventional assumption that a college education is always a ticket to a better life. Not everyone is cut out for college, and post-high school vocational training is a better choice for some.

But the United States needs more well-educated college graduates, not fewer, to compete in the world economy. The era when high school dropouts or even high school graduates could find steady, good-paying jobs is fading – and quickly.

Those blue-collar jobs aren't coming back in a high-tech world. For every genius who skips college and makes a fortune, there are thousands who miss out on the opportunity in a college education to vastly improve their own lives and build a stronger America.

Consider this: The current unemployment rate is 9.1 percent. But the unemployment rate for college graduates (bachelor's or higher) is 4.3 percent, a number that has actually dropped from 5 percent a year ago. Unemployment for high school grads stands at 9.6 percent, while high school dropouts must contend with a 14.6 percent jobless rate.

Certainly colleges and universities must do a better job of providing young Americans with an education that will stand up to the demands of the 21st century. They also must look at how to make education more affordable. More use of online course instruction is one way to help bring down costs and open up access.

But today's gloomy job picture can also blot out the big-picture benefits of college. On average, college graduates earn higher wages, pay more taxes, are more likely to vote, and are more likely to enjoy their jobs. They're even more likely to read to their kids or take them to visit a museum or library.

The case for college still can be made on strictly financial terms. But that's only part of the picture.

[Martinus]

Maybe it's my scammy college education, but the article seems to be saying something completely different than the title.

[DGuller]

In US, you are allowed to answer "no". 

[garbon]

Maybe it's my scammy college education, but the article seems to be saying something completely different than the title.

The title is a question. It is "asking" something.

[jimmy olsen]

Consider this: The current unemployment rate is 9.1 percent. But the unemployment rate for college graduates (bachelor's or higher) is 4.3 percent, a number that has actually dropped from 5 percent a year ago. Unemployment for high school grads stands at 9.6 percent, while high school dropouts must contend with a 14.6 percent jobless rate.

This proves that a bachelor's degree is used by employers as an important benchmark in employee qualifications, but it doesn't prove that that should be the case.

[Valmy]

Well the answer is that it is not an unqualified good surrounded by fluffy clouds and rainbows.  There are organizations who scam people out of money for shit degrees and the crushing costs of education in general.  It is not like there are not various problems with how education is going right now.

But calling it a scam is hyperbole.  Just like everything in life you have to be smart about your education.

[HVC]

they should separate the employment rates based on thing like business degrees and bullshit majors.

[garbon]

they should separate the employment rates based on thing like business degrees and bullshit majors.

I had a bullshit major.

[Martinus]

they should separate the employment rates based on thing like business degrees and bullshit majors.

I had a bullshit major.

Gender studies?

[garbon]

they should separate the employment rates based on thing like business degrees and bullshit majors.

I had a bullshit major.

Gender studies?

Psychology.

[HVC]

they should separate the employment rates based on thing like business degrees and bullshit majors.

I had a bullshit major.

Gender studies?

Psychology.

that's kind of not a bullshit one, depending one what you intend to do with it . i'm think more art and literature and such. unless you're going int a career for those feilds (and even then) it's just a useless costly piece of paper.

[Malthus]

Mine was in anthropology ... practically the definition of a "want fries with that?" degree. 

What people often overlook is that (a) getting a degree is useful education in basic skills like writing and research, no matter what the degree is in; (b) some employers don't care what you did your degree in, they just want proof you are capable of getting one; and (c) you can use your degree to get other, more immediately useful qualifications. 

[HVC]

Mine was in anthropology ... practically the definition of a "want fries with that?" degree. 

What people often overlook is that (a) getting a degree is useful education in basic skills like writing and research, no matter what the degree is in; (b) some employers don't care what you did your degree in, they just want proof you are capable of getting one; and (c) you can use your degree to get other, more immediately useful qualifications. 

you graduated in the 80's, right? was the secondary education pool already over flowing by then?

[HVC]

and even then, for every sucessful lawyer in your anthropology class how many did end up serving fries lol

[PDH]

I am proud to gain at least some of my income from this ponzi scheme.