Would embracing gays cost conservatives votes?

[Eddie Teach]

I don't think conservative voters are particularly whiny, except about having to pay taxes. Conservative pundits, on the other hand...

[Sheilbh]

Oh.  Well what did you mean then?

Oh no, I was just meaning this was the big example.

[derspiess]

Okay, well let me know if you guys come up with any actual examples

I didn't realize you meant 'wants special deals and stuff' as victimization.  I was thinking of it as an identity thing and a source of political mobilization.

I wonder what special deals gays want?

Hate crime legislation.  Recognition of "gay pride" or whatever at universities, private companies, etc.

And same-sex marriage

[Razgovory]

Hate crime legislation.  Recognition of "gay pride" or whatever at universities, private companies, etc.

And same-sex marriage

Ahh, so not being persecuted is a "special deal".  Do not many Conservatives demand special recognition of Christianity in government and the like?

[The Brain]

Not to mention that conservatives demand special education for their kids.

[viper37]

And same-sex marriage

same sex marriage is not a special deal.  It's an extension of a right currently available to all other people.
A divorced man and a divorced woman can remarry outside of the Church.  I don't see why two guys or two girls can't do it outside of Church.

Modern societies waste too much time on trivialities like this.  And then they complain that economic crisis happens out of nowhere, no one saw that coming.  Gee, no wonder.  That's like sleeping at the wheel and complaining the moose came out of nowhere, duh.

[Eddie Teach]

Modern societies waste too much time on trivialities like this. 

It's not something trivial. It's a pretty fundamental reflection of what type of society we have.

[Valmy]

Hate crime legislation.  Recognition of "gay pride" or whatever at universities, private companies, etc.

And same-sex marriage

None of those are special deals available only to gays a la Affirmative Action or Quotas.

[Razgovory]

Modern societies waste too much time on trivialities like this. 

It's not something trivial. It's a pretty fundamental reflection of what type of society we have.

I found Viper's statement at odds to his passionate arguments about changing the name of the Canadian military last week.

[viper37]

It's not something trivial. It's a pretty fundamental reflection of what type of society we have.

whenever you grant a right to a general population and restrict it to a minority, it's something that should be corrected, unless it brings serious harm to the society, or to another group of people.
It always amaze me that some groups pretending to be right-wing in economics, wishing for less restrictions on businesses and individuals in their economic activities are the ones pushing for more restrictions on social issue.

See, we tolerate homosexuality, we have ruled, with scientific evidence, that it no more harmful than heterosexality.  There is harm to the society in that gays don't reproduce, hence reduce the birth rate, but it's not enough to matter.
It goes from there, that gays should have the same rights as heteros, end of story.  No need to debate with a Bible in hand, no need to invent stuff, no need to endless bitching from gay lobbies, heteros have the right to marry outside of the traditional church rules, so gays should have that right to.  End of debate, correc the mistake, go to next problem.

[Grallon]

...heteros have the right to marry outside of the traditional church rules, so gays should have that right to.  End of debate, correc the mistake, go to next problem.

What have you done to my homophobic enemy? 




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[viper37]

Modern societies waste too much time on trivialities like this. 

It's not something trivial. It's a pretty fundamental reflection of what type of society we have.

I found Viper's statement at odds to his passionate arguments about changing the name of the Canadian military last week.

Tell me Raz, who was being hurt, legally, by not having a colonial name for the army?  Are you telling me that gay marriage is a non issue because gays did not suffer any kind of legal discrimination that married heteros don't face during their lives?

[viper37]

...heteros have the right to marry outside of the traditional church rules, so gays should have that right to.  End of debate, correc the mistake, go to next problem.

What have you done to my homophobic enemy? 
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I don't know.  Did he ever really existed?

I still don't like seeing two guys kissing on tv, if that helps you   I skip through these parts in True Bloood with my remote control, just as I skip the incessant 'nude Eric' parts too.

[Sheilbh]

Recognition of "gay pride" or whatever at universities, private companies, etc.

Have you any examples of this because I don't really know what you mean.

[Grallon]

I still don't like seeing two guys kissing on tv, if that helps you   I skip through these parts in True Bloood with my remote control, just as I skip the incessant 'nude Eric' parts too.

  There he is.


Two guys kissing is so sweet.   That's really the only thing I'm missing since I've become celibate. 




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