Would embracing gays cost conservatives votes?

[Neil]

Yi should be reminded that the modern GOP loves playing the victim as well.  It's just more absurd when they do so.  Things like the the evil liberal media and the War on Christmas.  In the words of former GOP congresswoman Helen Chenoweth ""It's the white, Anglo-Saxon male that's endangered today."

Yeah, that's been covered already.  And you guys are defining the "victimhood" thing down a bit.  Unless I missed the part where conservatives are trying to get in on the affirmative action gravy train or advocating for special rights for themselves.

You mean like the tax exempt status of churches?

That's a pretty weak attempt.  Their disastrous interpretation of the Second Amendment is a better example.

[Neil]

But it's public funds flowing into private education, right?  Which means, predominantly, Christian private and home schooling, support for which is often couched in a "my child will be a victim of state propaganda if I let them go to public school" sort of way.

It was the first thing I could think of, so maybe it's not a great example.

Arguing in favor of privatization isn't really the same, because presumably everyone could take their kids out of public school.

I think it's more a 'my child will be the victim of blacks and have Tim for a teacher if I let them go to public school' thing.

[Razgovory]

No, I'm staking my immense Languish reputation for at least some of the appeal of voucher programs is to undermine the teaching of things Conservatives don't like.  Things such as Evolution.  Can't teach creationism in public school, so we shift more government funding to private schools where you can teach kids anything.

Right, but Ide was asking about the gravy train.

This may shock you, but I'm not Ide.

[Razgovory]

I thought it was their little subculture and stuff.  I don't see garbon or Habsy or most of the gay guys I know IRL latching on to being victims.

I mean that is not to say they do not have whiny victims but every group does that.

Right and per the victim narrative, I should be the biggest mouth here about victimization seeing as how I'm twice a minority...and yet that doesn't actually pan out.

What can I say, you're special.

[garbon]

I thought it was their little subculture and stuff.  I don't see garbon or Habsy or most of the gay guys I know IRL latching on to being victims.

I mean that is not to say they do not have whiny victims but every group does that.

Right and per the victim narrative, I should be the biggest mouth here about victimization seeing as how I'm twice a minority...and yet that doesn't actually pan out.

What can I say, you're special.

Because I don't feel victimized?

[Razgovory]

Because I don't feel victimized?

No, your special for other reasons.  I don't know exactly why.

[derspiess]

Okay, well let me know if you guys come up with any actual examples

[Razgovory]

Okay, well let me know if you guys come up with any actual examples

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

[Sheilbh]

Oh don't play coy.  You would think the entire educated establishment is out to destroy them.  There is always a war on this and an attack on that.   The Conservatives are always bemoaning what victims they are to the evil forces of whatever whatever.

Granted that is not all and hopefully not even a majority of Conservatives but you know what he is talking about.  Nobody whines about victimhood like Americans of all stripes.

[Valmy]

Okay, well let me know if you guys come up with any actual examples

I didn't realize you meant 'wants special deals and stuff' as victimization.  I was thinking of it as an identity thing and a source of political mobilization.

[Valmy]

Oh don't play coy.  You would think the entire educated establishment is out to destroy them.  There is always a war on this and an attack on that.   The Conservatives are always bemoaning what victims they are to the evil forces of whatever whatever.

Granted that is not all and hopefully not even a majority of Conservatives but you know what he is talking about.  Nobody whines about victimhood like Americans of all stripes.

Oh.  Well what did you mean then?

[Valmy]

See I thought the whole Affirmative Action thing was over 15 years ago with the Hopwood vs. Texas thing.

[Faeelin]

I'm not sure what a "truce" looks like, or why gays would want it when it's pretty clear they're winning the culture war. 

[Razgovory]

Okay, well let me know if you guys come up with any actual examples

I didn't realize you meant 'wants special deals and stuff' as victimization.  I was thinking of it as an identity thing and a source of political mobilization.

I wonder what special deals gays want?

[dps]

Just throwing it out there, education vouchers?

All voucher programs that I've read about are for less than the cost of a public school education.

But it's public funds flowing into private education, right?  Which means, predominantly, Christian private and home schooling, support for which is often couched in a "my child will be a victim of state propaganda if I let them go to public school" sort of way.

Everybody that I've talked to who has sent their children to private school or homeschooled them has talked about it in terms of the incompetence of the public school system, not in ideological or religious terms.