Wikileaks - 2007: UN told to drop ‘Taiwan is part of China’ by US

[Zoupa]

I was thinking of that too 

This forum shows its roots.

[Valmy]

The religious wars in France also.

Man, I hate that event.  I WAS NICE TO THE PROTESTANTS.

Actually I always thought it was Francis' mistake to tolerate the Calvinists.  Their presence on a massive scale was either going to have them make a bid for power or piss off the Catholics so much as to provoke a backlash...and there was the affair of the Placards and off we went.

[dps]

Yeah, Marty is stupid.  It's not American troops in Taiwan that defends the island.  It's the 7th fleet.  I don't think there's even a large US military force in Taiwan.

I'm not sure that there are any US combat troops stationed there.

[Valmy]

Yeah, Marty is stupid.  It's not American troops in Taiwan that defends the island.  It's the 7th fleet.  I don't think there's even a large US military force in Taiwan.

I'm not sure that there are any US combat troops stationed there.

We pulled our troops out and closed our embassy in the 1970s to make our new Red Chinese buddies happy.

[Habbaku]

Yeah, Marty is stupid.  It's not American troops in Taiwan that defends the island.  It's the 7th fleet.  I don't think there's even a large US military force in Taiwan.

I'm not sure that there are any US combat troops stationed there.

We pulled our troops out and closed our embassy in the 1970s to make our new Red Chinese buddies happy.

  Martinus' information, like the rest of Poland, is only 40 years behind.  Not so bad, really, when you think about it.  That's quite a bit of progress, actually.

[Ideologue]

Yeah, Marty is stupid.  It's not American troops in Taiwan that defends the island.  It's the 7th fleet.  I don't think there's even a large US military force in Taiwan.

I'm not sure that there are any US combat troops stationed there.

We pulled our troops out and closed our embassy in the 1970s to make our new Red Chinese buddies happy.

  Martinus' information, like the rest of Poland, is only 40 years behind.  Not so bad, really, when you think about it.  That's quite a bit of progress, actually.

Yeah, but 40 years ago we had nuclear weapons too.  Maybe the Soviets didn't tell them.

Actually I always thought it was Francis' mistake to tolerate the Calvinists.  Their presence on a massive scale was either going to have them make a bid for power or piss off the Catholics so much as to provoke a backlash...and there was the affair of the Placards and off we went.

I don't actually remember anything about the War of Religion other than it forcibly disintegrates my country, no matter how many Frances worth of "aggrieved noblemen" I exterminate, and I stopped reading event texts a decade ago.

Sometimes I just straight up went Calvinist, though, because it renders the Dutch, Swiss, and Scots targetable, and it's fun to pretend.

[Zoupa]

I always went counter-reform, as any good frog would. 

Tuez les tous

[Razgovory]

Yeah, Marty is stupid.  It's not American troops in Taiwan that defends the island.  It's the 7th fleet.  I don't think there's even a large US military force in Taiwan.

I'm not sure that there are any US combat troops stationed there.

There might be some on vacation.  There really is no reason to have combat soldiers there.  The Navy is sufficent to keep the Chicoms out.  As John Jervis the Earl of St. Vincent once said "I do not say, my Lords, that the French will not come. I say only they will not come by sea."

[Ideologue]

I always went counter-reform, as any good frog would. 

Tuez les tous

I always forget about CRC.  Like, I was playing an Austria game earlier today and it didn't occur to me to go CRC and get CBs against all those asshole Lutheran Germans till the game started hitting me over the head with the fact that I was supposed to be interfering with their way of life.

I'm a selfish editor, too.  Had to add an option B to that bullshit with Karl's will.  I diploannexed Burgundy, that shit is mine, old man.

[Ideologue]

Yeah, Marty is stupid.  It's not American troops in Taiwan that defends the island.  It's the 7th fleet.  I don't think there's even a large US military force in Taiwan.

I'm not sure that there are any US combat troops stationed there.

There might be some on vacation.  There really is no reason to have combat soldiers there.  The Navy is sufficent to keep the Chicoms out.  As John Jervis the Earl of St. Vincent once said "I do not say, my Lords, that the French will not come. I say only they will not come by sea."

Can the Chunnel be collapsed to prevent Unterseelowe?

[Camerus]

If China started making noise about taking over South Korea, that would be about as legit as them taking over Taiwan in any actual practical sense.

Not really.  China's claim on Taiwan is a lot more legitimate than a claim on S.Korea would be.

[Camerus]

Is the existence of an independent Taiwan really of fundamental strategic importance to the US?  At what point do the drawbacks of supporting the RoC against the PRC outweigh the benefits?  I would posit that the threshold is not very high.

US arms sales to Taiwan, which China is rather unhappy about.

I suspect you misread my post - or else I'm missing something - because I can't make heads or tails of your response.

[Ideologue]

If China started making noise about taking over South Korea, that would be about as legit as them taking over Taiwan in any actual practical sense.

Not really.  China's claim on Taiwan is a lot more legitimate than a claim on S.Korea would be.

My claim to be an heir to the throne of Spain is more legitimate than my claim to the throne of Russia, too, I guess.

[Camerus]

If China started making noise about taking over South Korea, that would be about as legit as them taking over Taiwan in any actual practical sense.

Not really.  China's claim on Taiwan is a lot more legitimate than a claim on S.Korea would be.

My claim to be an heir to the throne of Spain is more legitimate than my claim to the throne of Russia, too, I guess.

Perhaps.  And China's claim to Taiwan is fantastically more legitimate than both of those.

[Maximus]

Taiwan has never been part of the PRC, and is not the government of choice of most of its citizens. I don't see how the PRC has any claim to Taiwan stronger than "because we want it".