Why the gun industry secretly loves Obama

[mongers]

I'd suggest you're trying to compare apples and oranges hand grenades.

Apples with those little MI6 spy cameras inside.

Now you're confusing them with rocks. 

[mongers]

Why not?



You're just as unlikely to need a gun as you are a seatbelt, but I bet that doesn't stop you from buckling up. 

I think you are quite a bit more likely to need a seatbelt than a gun.  There might be just as many deaths from car accidents as from firearms, but that's a very different matter and doesn't measure the efficacy of seatbelts at preventing death in a car accident.  Not to mention the largest part of gun deaths in the US are from suicide, with a much, much smaller number of vehicular deaths from the same.

True. The point is that just because it's really unlikely doesn't make us not take the precautions.

It appears more Americans die in gun accidents, per 100,00 pop, than are killed in the UK by guns from all causes; so it appears being prepared or taking precautions imposes its own additional costs.

[DGuller]

On pure utilitarian grounds, there isn't much honest debate to be had.  Guns aren't nuclear weapons, they don't lead to mutually assured destruction such that no one ever thinks to use them.

If gun ownership is to be successfully defended, it should be defended on freedom grounds.  Being allowed to own a death-dealing weapon is a freedom, and all freedoms increase the potential for damage to oneself and others.

[Razgovory]

On pure utilitarian grounds, there isn't much honest debate to be had.  Guns aren't nuclear weapons, they don't lead to mutually assured destruction such that no one ever thinks to use them.

If gun ownership is to be successfully defended, it should be defended on freedom grounds.  Being allowed to own a death-dealing weapon is a freedom, and all freedoms increase the potential for damage to oneself and others.

That's primarily why I'm fairly progun.  It's in the constitution and I don't like chiseling away at rights enumerated in the Constitution.  Most people I know who own guns are like Derspeis or Cal or Ed.  They collect guns and enjoy shooting them.  Perhaps they go hunting during the season or use them to kill vermin.  They have them in the unlikely occasion they are needed for self-defense.  I see little problem with that.  There should perhaps be a few limits.  You shouldn't let someone like me own a gun or someone with a felony conviction.

[The Minsky Moment]

When a gun is used in self-defense, there are two side effects: death to the bad guy and lack of death to you.

Now imagine you are in a crowded, lurching subway car, and a dozen people pull their guns in "self-defense".  What side effect then?
This is why NYC doesn't do conceal carry.

[Ed Anger]

Swedish Mauser from 1902
Lee-Enfield .303 from the '50s.
Korean War-era M1 Garand
Japanese Arisaka (and sword bayonet)

[11B4V]

Browning Pro-9
Sig 220
M1911
Bersa 380
Custom Mauser in 358 Norma
CZ550 7x64
Ruger M77 7x57
Sporterized M1903
Sporterized M1898
Winchester Mod 94 (32 WIN)
Rem Mod 11 (20 GA)
Custom Interarms Mark X (338 Mag)
Interarms Mark X (7mm Mag)
Colt 1862 (38 Long Colt)
Rem New Army (45 Long Colt)
Schofield
1849 Pocket Pistol (32 S&W)
SW Mod 66 3 inch Nickel
Side by Side 12 GA

There might be some others that are laying around that I forgot at the moment

[11B4V]

Oh,

Cetme
Ruger SR 556

[Caliga]

Sig p229

Do you like this one?  My arms dealer has one of these, and though I was probably going to pick up a Glock 19 from her, I want to look at the other options too (the third one being a Beretta of some mark or another).

Right now, my list is:

SIG 522

[Caliga]

Japanese Arisaka (and sword bayonet)

Where did you get the rifle?  I've got an Arisaka sword bayonet too, and it'd be nice to have the rifle to fit it to.

[MadImmortalMan]

Sig p229

Do you like this one?  My arms dealer has one of these, and though I was probably going to pick up a Glock 19 from her, I want to look at the other options too (the third one being a Beretta of some mark or another).

Right now, my list is:

SIG 522

Yes, I really like it. It's a .40

[CountDeMoney]

S&W Model 19/66 stainless .357 Magnum 2 1/4" barrel (preferred carry)
EAA .45 ported Witness (piece o' shit, but goes boom)
My father's blued .38 Colt Detective Special, older than I am, but in much better shape
Walther P-38, circa 1944, Werhmacht stamps and armament codes match, sold to my grandfather by a German merchant marine he knew in 1947)
Mossberg 500, pistol grip and collapsing stock

[11B4V]

S&W Model 19/66 stainless .357 Magnum 2 1/4" barrel (preferred carry)
EAA .45 ported Witness (piece o' shit, but goes boom)
My father's blued .38 Colt Detective Special, older than I am, but in much better shape
Walther P-38, circa 1944, Werhmacht stamps and armament codes match, sold to my grandfather by a German merchant marine he knew in 1947)
Mossberg 500, pistol grip and collapsing stock

I dont own a Moss 500, but it's one of two long arms I have in the patrol car. I like it.

[The Brain]

Do you guys hide your guns when chicks come around? Or are the chicks you date into this whole manchild thing?

[11B4V]

Do you guys hide your guns when chicks come around? Or are the chicks you date into this whole manchild thing?

You talkin to me?