Canada to firmly re-assess its status as a British colony

[Oexmelin]

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Oh noes, a section of a website is not available in English.

Just like many sections of websites are not available in French - say, in the Ontario E-Laws site.

Have you tried to write them?

[viper37]

To go back to the OP - poling done has shown that a majority of Canadians support renaming the air force and navy.  It's almost 2:1 in favour from what I can tell.

Even in Quebec the move gathered 41% support.

strange.  Polls give the same results for people in favour of independance (38%).  I think all the seperatists are pleased with the name change

[Valmy]

strange.  Polls give the same results for people in favour of independance (38%).  I think all the seperatists are pleased with the name change

Or maybe your "separatists" are trying to pull a Boulangist coup and are actually trying to set up a Quebec Monarchy

Louis XX will be flown over and will reign from his throne of republican skulls inside the Château de la Bastille Nouvelle overlooking the St Lawrence.

[Barrister]

To go back to the OP - poling done has shown that a majority of Canadians support renaming the air force and navy.  It's almost 2:1 in favour from what I can tell.

Even in Quebec the move gathered 41% support.

strange.  Polls give the same results for people in favour of independance (38%).  I think all the seperatists are pleased with the name change

I dunno about that:

Regionally, there was marked disagreement only in Quebec, where 41 per cent approved of the idea and 46 per cent were against it.

Doug Anderson, senior vice-president of Harris/Decima, said the bare numbers in Quebec may conceal a deeper reality, however.

"Within the partisan scope it's really only Bloc Quebecois supporters who are opposed to it," he said.

"This means that actually among all the rest of the voters in Quebec who are either considering a federalist party or not considering the Bloc Québécois, there must necessarily, mathematically, be overwhelming agreement with the move."

So people who are already separatists are the only ones significantly opposed to the idea.

I'm not terribly surprised.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/majority-backs-restoration-of-royal-designations-for-navy-air-force/article2146872/

[Valmy]

I thought the BQ was wimpy on the cause of separation and were fine with sovereignty.

[viper37]

Louis XX will be flown over and will reign from his throne of republican skulls inside the Château de la Bastille Nouvelle overlooking the St Lawrence.

It's actually called Château Frontenac, no need to change the name

[Barrister]

I thought the BQ was wimpy on the cause of separation and were fine with sovereignty.

  No....

[viper37]

I thought the BQ was wimpy on the cause of separation and were fine with sovereignty.

The Bloc is simply wimpy at the moment, with only 4 mps left.
And they stand for... themselves, really.  Under Gilles Duceppe as leader, the party gradually moved from a nationalist/independantist party to a purely socialist party.

[Malthus]

This section is not available in English.

To consult the French version:

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so, there's no one in your office to do the translations billed at 450$/hr to your clients?

Seriously, I'd suggest e-mailing them for the info you require.

What I do, is puzzle it through, or consult the guy next door who speaks French.

But that's not the point - point is, many, many Quebec gov't websites are like this: they offer an "English section" with a front page in English, but all of the actual information is in French.

[Barrister]

Meh.  Quebec court decisions are all in French only too.  Heck I even remember when *the* case on point turned out to be a French-only case from Quebec, where the SCC merely adopted the reasoning from Quebec.

It's just the price of being a bilingual country.  Not everything is going to be perfectly bilingual.

[Malthus]

Services aux professionnels de la santé

Oh noes, a section of a website is not available in English.

Oh noes, an factual assertion made by you about Quebec isn't actually correct.

Just like many sections of websites are not available in French - say, in the Ontario E-Laws site.

Have you tried to write them?

I'm trying to test that theory, but as far as I can see, almost everything is available in French - even the Ontario Gazette.

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/navigation?file=home&lang=fr

http://www.ontariogazette.gov.on.ca/

Is the Quebec Gazette available in English? Why, no.

http://www3.publicationsduquebec.gouv.qc.ca/gazetteofficielle.en.html

[Malthus]

Meh.  Quebec court decisions are all in French only too.  Heck I even remember when *the* case on point turned out to be a French-only case from Quebec, where the SCC merely adopted the reasoning from Quebec.

It's just the price of being a bilingual country.  Not everything is going to be perfectly bilingual.

I'm exploring the assertion that:

And, indeed, the official unilingualism of Quebec is practically bilingualism. You *will* get services in English from the government.

Which turns out to be, well, untrue. You get more and better services in French in Ontario from the government that you get services in English in Quebec from the government.

[Malthus]

I do not see anything coercive about NOT spending money to provide a service.  Unless tyrants rule the world over.  As to why the government is providing mostly Francophone schools, well I presume they are doing it because that is what the voters want.  But what I was saying is that the move seems more aimed at making sure people can speak French less that English is destroyed.  Educated people being able to speak French is just a logical public interest in a French speaking place.  Which strikes me as not a horrible thing.

They will also be taught English.

It's clear you don't understand what the "tyranny of the majority" means. Of course it is what "the voters want": just as three wolves and two sheep having a free democratic vote as to what's for dinner, such a voter preference just *may* be unfair to the minority! 

[Valmy]

It's clear you don't understand what the "tyranny of the majority" means.

I understand what it means.  I was not aware that providing free education was a form of tyranny if you do not do it exactly like each person would like.  If they had a law FORCING everybody to only be educated in French well yeah that would be tyranny.

I guess I thought tyranny was about coercion not providing services in a not entirely satisfactory way.

[Malthus]

I understand what it means.  I was not aware that providing free education was a form of tyranny if you do not do it exactly like each person would like.

First, let's eliminate this whole "if the government provides it, it's free" meme. Nothing is free. It is paid for by taxation by citizens. What this means is that a very sizable minority of citizens is paying taxes for education, but the content of that education is being set by the majority.

Please note that this is *not* true here in Ontario, where there exists a French school system and where, right on the tax form, you can choose to pay for one or the other, your choice.

If they had a law FORCING everybody to only be educated in French well yeah that would be tyranny.

Heh.

72. Instruction in the kindergarten classes and in the elementary and secondary schools shall be in French, except where this chapter allows otherwise.

Scope.

This rule obtains in school bodies within the meaning of the Schedule and in private educational institutions accredited for purposes of subsidies under the Act respecting private education (chapter E-9.1) with respect to the educational services covered by an accreditation.

The only way to avoid being caught is to have a school that isn't even accredited for potential subsidies. Private schools are caught if accredited.

Change your mind any?