Vince Cable: Right wing nutters threaten financial markets

Started by Martinus, July 24, 2011, 02:10:41 PM

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Neil

Quote from: Palisadoes on July 25, 2011, 06:49:03 PM
I think dear Vince is letting his ideology get in the way on this one: it takes two to tango, and it is not just the "right-wing nutters" who are holding up this supply bill (or whatever it is), but also the Democrats.
The Republicans do deserve more blame than the Democrats though.  At least the Democrats are willing to talk about cuts, even though they're somewhat disingenuous about it and we all know that talking about cutting things in five years is the same as not cutting them at all.  The Republicans are trying to push a poison doctrine of ever-lower taxes, and so are crazier.
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Quote from: Neil on July 25, 2011, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: Palisadoes on July 25, 2011, 06:49:03 PM
I think dear Vince is letting his ideology get in the way on this one: it takes two to tango, and it is not just the "right-wing nutters" who are holding up this supply bill (or whatever it is), but also the Democrats.
The Republicans do deserve more blame than the Democrats though.  At least the Democrats are willing to talk about cuts, even though they're somewhat disingenuous about it and we all know that talking about cutting things in five years is the same as not cutting them at all.  The Republicans are trying to push a poison doctrine of ever-lower taxes, and so are crazier.

The GOP is not trying to lower taxes.
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Quote from: derspiess on July 26, 2011, 09:52:59 AM
Quote from: Neil on July 25, 2011, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: Palisadoes on July 25, 2011, 06:49:03 PM
I think dear Vince is letting his ideology get in the way on this one: it takes two to tango, and it is not just the "right-wing nutters" who are holding up this supply bill (or whatever it is), but also the Democrats.
The Republicans do deserve more blame than the Democrats though.  At least the Democrats are willing to talk about cuts, even though they're somewhat disingenuous about it and we all know that talking about cutting things in five years is the same as not cutting them at all.  The Republicans are trying to push a poison doctrine of ever-lower taxes, and so are crazier.

The GOP is not trying to lower taxes.

That's where this is leading tho.
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So, is it that hard to finish typing out 'though'?

Reading 'tho' makes me think you are a 13 year old texting us. Damn kids these days. No respect.
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frunk

Quote from: derspiess on July 26, 2011, 09:52:59 AM
The GOP is not trying to lower taxes.

You mean other than the Bush tax cuts that were supposed to be a temporary stimulus, and have now become effectively permanent?  Despite the fact that if they had been rolled back on time this mess wouldn't be nearly as bad?

derspiess

Quote from: Grey Fox on July 26, 2011, 09:57:05 AM
That's where this is leading tho.

Hopefully not.  *If* the GOP gets its way and gets spending cuts without tax increases, and then later proceeds to push for significant tax cuts (aside from measures that also eliminate some loopholes/deductions to make it revenue-neutral or even positive), I'll break ranks with them. 

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derspiess

Quote from: frunk on July 26, 2011, 10:37:25 AM
You mean other than the Bush tax cuts that were supposed to be a temporary stimulus, and have now become effectively permanent?

Oh great, are we going to have to debate semantics now?

QuoteDespite the fact that if they had been rolled back on time this mess wouldn't be nearly as bad?

By the same token, if we had cut spending (or at curtailed rate of spending increases), this mess also wouldn't be nearly as bad.
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Quote from: Grey Fox on July 26, 2011, 10:31:15 AM
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I love how this whole bit is making everyone so political in my office. One of our programmers proposed eliminating income tax and raising the sales tax...
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Quote from: Ed Anger on July 26, 2011, 11:22:19 AM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 26, 2011, 10:31:15 AM
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Quote from: frunk on July 26, 2011, 10:37:25 AM
You mean other than the Bush tax cuts that were supposed to be a temporary stimulus, and have now become effectively permanent?  Despite the fact that if they had been rolled back on time this mess wouldn't be nearly as bad?

Good Lord, are there really people out there that think the Bush tax cuts got extended by the Republicans? :huh:

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Quote from: derspiess on July 26, 2011, 09:52:59 AM
Quote from: Neil on July 25, 2011, 07:22:42 PM
Quote from: Palisadoes on July 25, 2011, 06:49:03 PM
I think dear Vince is letting his ideology get in the way on this one: it takes two to tango, and it is not just the "right-wing nutters" who are holding up this supply bill (or whatever it is), but also the Democrats.
The Republicans do deserve more blame than the Democrats though.  At least the Democrats are willing to talk about cuts, even though they're somewhat disingenuous about it and we all know that talking about cutting things in five years is the same as not cutting them at all.  The Republicans are trying to push a poison doctrine of ever-lower taxes, and so are crazier.

The GOP is not trying to lower taxes.

Eh?  Several of the Republican proposals involve tax cuts.  I think the Ryan plan that Yi has such a hard on for, includes some tax cuts.
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