We've always been at war with Eurasia

[The Brain]

LOL another Mart meltdown. Bye thread coming up?

[HVC]

As I said you don't lose your human rights that way. But thanks for playing. Sorry you lose. Reality wins.

As I said. There's no such human right. Really good try though.

Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

right to seek, not a right to receive, right?

Idiot.

i love it when you talk dirty to me. show me your feet... slowly. That's the stuff

[Martinus]

LOL another Mart meltdown. Bye thread coming up?

I didn't meltdown. I just don't see a point in discussing it with people who are trolling (or at too dumb to realise they are).

[HVC]

LOL another Mart meltdown. Bye thread coming up?

the first one was fun. after that it's like waking up christmas day knowing your present is an empty box

[Viking]

So, by getting 3 years, he got a rather harsh penalty by Swedish standards, right?

Why would he be penalized further?

see, this is where our views diverge. i don't see it as penalization, i see it as no longer meeting the criteia of a landed immigrant. Some where on his questionaire for a Visa was a variant of "Please select one: are you a rapist [Y] [N]". Since he is now a rapist he doesn't qualify for the Visa. He has lost his privledge and should be kicked out.

Only americans do shit like that.

[Josquius]

So, by getting 3 years, he got a rather harsh penalty by Swedish standards, right?

Why would he be penalized further?

see, this is where our views diverge. i don't see it as penalization, i see it as no longer meeting the criteia of a landed immigrant. Some where on his questionaire for a Visa was a variant of "Please select one: are you a rapist [Y] [N]". Since he is now a rapist he doesn't qualify for the Visa. He has lost his privledge and should be kicked out.

I'd agree 100% were he just an immigrant.
As said though he's an assylum seeker, he is in genuine trouble if he gets sent back.

I really don't know what the answer is here.Its iffy both ways.

[Maximus]

Only americans do shit like that.

It's not too late for you to learn.

[HVC]

So, by getting 3 years, he got a rather harsh penalty by Swedish standards, right?

Why would he be penalized further?

see, this is where our views diverge. i don't see it as penalization, i see it as no longer meeting the criteia of a landed immigrant. Some where on his questionaire for a Visa was a variant of "Please select one: are you a rapist [Y] [N]". Since he is now a rapist he doesn't qualify for the Visa. He has lost his privledge and should be kicked out.

Only americans do shit like that.

and god bless them for it.

[Martinus]

Only americans do shit like that.

It's not too late for you to learn.

Nah, we are not into settling for less.

[Viking]

Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

Go raise another man's kids, cretin. You are too dumb to participate.

There are no rights because even rights are contingent.

Article 3.

    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

If a right to asylum trumps right to security of person who's rights win out? If everybody has a right to "liberty" then aren't prisons breaches of human rights in and of themselves? Doesn't that suggest that they are contingent simply on the grounds that everybody that signed the declaration, including those who wrote it continue using imprisonment as punishment?

[Maximus]

I'd agree 100% were he just an immigrant.
As said though he's an assylum seeker, he is in genuine trouble if he gets sent back.

1. If the original post is the real story he's more of a fugitive from justice.

2. Who cares? It's trouble he got himself into.

[Martinus]

Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

Go raise another man's kids, cretin. You are too dumb to participate.

There are no rights because even rights are contingent.

Article 3.

    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

If a right to asylum trumps right to security of person who's rights win out? If everybody has a right to "liberty" then aren't prisons breaches of human rights in and of themselves? Doesn't that suggest that they are contingent simply on the grounds that everybody that signed the declaration, including those who wrote it continue using imprisonment as punishment?

His claim was that right to seek asylum is not a human right.

[The Brain]

I somehow get the feeling that Mart is talking about what he thinks human rights are and not about what they in fact are.

[MadImmortalMan]

Asylum is subjective, so these issues are difficult. Is he fleeing persecution or prosecution? Depends on who you ask, of course.

[Maximus]

Nah, we are not into settling for less.