We've always been at war with Eurasia

[Slargos]

Regardless, what really gives me gray hairs in all this isn't really the rapist nigger, nor is it that these people who lobbied to let him stay are more or less responsible for the second rape or at least morally culpable. It's the fact that we, as a nation, still let our media get away with slanting the story to the point that up is actually down.

[Zanza]

but legally once you've done the time for a crime you're then innocent.

Why would you be innocent? You are still guilty and will have a criminal record.

[Martinus]

or as a comprimise i' say it's ok if a criminal doesn't want to go back that he gets to stay in jail

Wasn't that what happened? I thought he served his time.

No, i mean you stay in jail. After three* years you get to decide stay in jail, or go back to your home nation.

That's idiotic.

[Josquius]

or as a comprimise i' say it's ok if a criminal doesn't want to go back that he gets to stay in jail

Wasn't that what happened? I thought he served his time.

No, i mean you stay in jail. After three* years you get to decide stay in jail, or go back to your home nation.



*which still throws me. But slarg hate the darkies so maybe this was a date rape (still bad) and not a "savage" rape

Its Sweden, he probally called her a slag and touched her boob.

[garbon]

How did this topic grow so?

[Martinus]

but legally once you've done the time for a crime you're then innocent.

Why would you be innocent? You are still guilty and will have a criminal record.

There is a concept of striking off your criminal record. It also exists in Germany.

[Slargos]

or as a comprimise i' say it's ok if a criminal doesn't want to go back that he gets to stay in jail

Wasn't that what happened? I thought he served his time.

No, i mean you stay in jail. After three* years you get to decide stay in jail, or go back to your home nation.



*which still throws me. But slarg hate the darkies so maybe this was a date rape (still bad) and not a "savage" rape

I don't know the details, but trust me when I say that you simply don't get that much prison time over something simple like Assange-rape [unless of course you're the kind of person they will take any excuse to imprison, like, you know, Assange  ]

And 3 years for rape is a lot.[/u]

[Maximus]

Yes, but the rights not to be deported to a country where you face inhuman treatment (i.e. refugee rights) are human rights

He had his chance. He blew it. He should have no such right.

[Zanza]

Yes, but the rights not to be deported to a country where you face inhuman treatment (i.e. refugee rights) are human rights, not citizen rights. I don't see why they should be conditional upon you not committing a crime (any more than a right not to be tortured is, for example).

Fair enough. I agree that conscientious objection to military service is indeed a human right.

[Martinus]

So, by getting 3 years, he got a rather harsh penalty by Swedish standards, right?

Why would he be penalized further?

[HVC]

or as a comprimise i' say it's ok if a criminal doesn't want to go back that he gets to stay in jail

Wasn't that what happened? I thought he served his time.

No, i mean you stay in jail. After three* years you get to decide stay in jail, or go back to your home nation.

That's idiotic.

love you too

I said it was a compromise . My prefered solution would be to deport. I'm a first generation canadian and i have family here on Visa's, but if they raped/killed/"serious offence" i'd want them the hell out. being a guest in a country (which is what you are) means (or should mean) that you can wear out your welcome.

[Martinus]

Yes, but the rights not to be deported to a country where you face inhuman treatment (i.e. refugee rights) are human rights

He had his chance. He blew it. He should have no such right.

As I said you don't lose your human rights that way. But thanks for playing. Sorry you lose. Reality wins.

[Slargos]

So, by getting 3 years, he got a rather harsh penalty by Swedish standards, right?

Why would he be penalized further?

I see. You're just fucking with me.

Fair enough.

[Zanza]

but legally once you've done the time for a crime you're then innocent.

Why would you be innocent? You are still guilty and will have a criminal record.

There is a concept of striking off your criminal record. It also exists in Germany.

Yes, but that's not immediately. You'll have to wait 10 or more years depending on the severity of the crime.

[Martinus]

So, by getting 3 years, he got a rather harsh penalty by Swedish standards, right?

Why would he be penalized further?

I see. You're just fucking with me.

Fair enough.

Not per se. I'm just arguing from a principle: asylum seekers do not lose their human rights because they were convicted of a crime - the penalty served by the standard application of criminal law should be enough. Not my fault your criminal justice system is a joke though. If your reality is fucked up, you get fucked up results by applying sound principles. But that does not mean the principle itself is faulty.