We've always been at war with Eurasia

[Martinus]

but legally once you've done the time for a crime you're then innocent.

Why would you be innocent? You are still guilty and will have a criminal record.

There is a concept of striking off your criminal record. It also exists in Germany.

Yes, but that's not immediately. You'll have to wait 10 or more years depending on the severity of the crime.

Actually, I'm fairly sure it is much less than that, and 10 years is probably the top end not the low end. Unless your system is vastly different from the Polish one which I doubt.

[Maximus]

As I said you don't lose your human rights that way. But thanks for playing. Sorry you lose. Reality wins.

As I said. There's no such human right. Really good try though.

[Martinus]

As I said you don't lose your human rights that way. But thanks for playing. Sorry you lose. Reality wins.

As I said. There's no such human right. Really good try though.

Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

Go raise another man's kids, cretin. You are too dumb to participate.

[Zanza]

While I think that foreign criminals can and should be deported depending on the case, this situation has another dimension than just his crime, namely what happens to him in his home country. If this guy was from say Finland, it wouldn't be a question. But he isn't, so he might face serious human right violations in his home country. It's certainly worth considering whether extending the welcome despite his crime is a better position to take than exposing him to the risk of punishment for conscientious objection in his native country.

[HVC]

So, by getting 3 years, he got a rather harsh penalty by Swedish standards, right?

Why would he be penalized further?

see, this is where our views diverge. i don't see it as penalization, i see it as no longer meeting the criteia of a landed immigrant. Some where on his questionaire for a Visa was a variant of "Please select one: are you a rapist [Y] [N]". Since he is now a rapist he doesn't qualify for the Visa. He has lost his privledge and should be kicked out.

[Martinus]

So, by getting 3 years, he got a rather harsh penalty by Swedish standards, right?

Why would he be penalized further?

see, this is where our views diverge. i don't see it as penalization, i see it as no longer meeting the criteia of a landed immigrant. Some where on his questionaire for a Visa was a variant of "Please select one: are you a rapist [Y] [N]". Since he is now a rapist he doesn't qualify for the Visa. He has lost his privledge and should be kicked out.

This would be true if he wasn't an asylum seeker.

[HVC]

As I said you don't lose your human rights that way. But thanks for playing. Sorry you lose. Reality wins.

As I said. There's no such human right. Really good try though.

Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

right to seek, not a right to receive, right?

Go raise another man's kids, cretin. You are too dumb to participate.

uncalled for and low even for you.

[derspiess]

Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

Does it specifically mention Sweden there?

[The Brain]

If he thinks that Sweden is abusing his human rights he is free to seek asylum in a different country. In fact I encourage it.

[katmai]

Glad to see Marti has mellowed with old age.

[Martinus]

As I said you don't lose your human rights that way. But thanks for playing. Sorry you lose. Reality wins.

As I said. There's no such human right. Really good try though.

Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

right to seek, not a right to receive, right?

Idiot.

[Martinus]

Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

Does it specifically mention Sweden there?

Idiot.

[Maximus]

Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights: "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

Inapplicable. He wasn't being persecuted.

Even if he had been, though, he sought and enjoyed his asylum. Then he decided to destroy it.

[Martinus]

If he thinks that Sweden is abusing his human rights he is free to seek asylum in a different country. In fact I encourage it.

Idiot.

[Martinus]

Glad to see Marti has mellowed with old age.

Sorry, can't stand idiots.