Bachmann running neck and neck with Romney in Iowa

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Quote from: alfred russel on June 28, 2011, 12:17:04 PM
A deficit is sustainable if it is offset by GDP growth and inflation. A deficit that is 2%-3% of GDP should be sustainable.

Depends on the type of borrowing that makes up the deficit.
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Fate

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2011, 05:30:37 PM
Didn't Huckleberry win Iowa last time?

Yeah. Iowa seems to be a lock for the social conservative candidate. Romney just needs to do well in Iowa, not win it. He'll have New Hampshire in his pocket.

Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 28, 2011, 05:34:24 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 28, 2011, 12:31:27 PM
I'd like them to put up or shut up.  So far all I see is, "Times are bad, we think the burden should be born by someone who is not us.", type thinking.

:huh:  Retirees are all Democrats?

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.  You and I are at totally different wavelengths, Rev.
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citizen k

Quote from: Fate on June 28, 2011, 10:13:48 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2011, 05:30:37 PM
Didn't Huckleberry win Iowa last time?

Yeah. Iowa seems to be a lock for the social conservative candidate. Romney just needs to do well in Iowa, not win it. He'll have New Hampshire in his pocket.

I think Ron Paul would do well in New Hampshire as well.

Fate

Quote from: citizen k on June 28, 2011, 10:18:22 PM
Quote from: Fate on June 28, 2011, 10:13:48 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2011, 05:30:37 PM
Didn't Huckleberry win Iowa last time?

Yeah. Iowa seems to be a lock for the social conservative candidate. Romney just needs to do well in Iowa, not win it. He'll have New Hampshire in his pocket.

I think Ron Paul would do well in New Hampshire as well.

Dear god I hope not. The last thing the Republican party needs is a legitimization of his views.

citizen k

Quote from: Fate on June 28, 2011, 10:23:57 PM
Quote from: citizen k on June 28, 2011, 10:18:22 PM
I think Ron Paul would do well in New Hampshire as well.

Dear god I hope not. The last thing the Republican party needs is a legitimization of his views.

Of course the Dems would rather face Bachmann in the general.

Habbaku

Quote from: citizen k on June 28, 2011, 10:32:58 PM
Of course the Dems would rather face Bachmann in the general.

Please don't talk to it.
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Quote from: Fate on June 28, 2011, 10:23:57 PM
Quote from: citizen k on June 28, 2011, 10:18:22 PM
I think Ron Paul would do well in New Hampshire as well.

Dear god I hope not. The last thing the Republican party needs is a legitimization of his views.

The Republican Party is truly in dire straits when Ron Paul is considered "one of the sane ones".
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Admiral Yi

Quote from: Razgovory on June 28, 2011, 10:18:13 PM
I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.  You and I are at totally different wavelengths, Rev.

Ryan suggests cuts to Medicare.  Medicare goes to seniors.

Razgovory suggests Republicans only cut programs that don't go to "us."

Yi concludes Razgovory thinks seniors are not Republicans.

Razgovory expresses confusion.

grumbler

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 29, 2011, 06:40:25 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 28, 2011, 10:18:13 PM
I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.  You and I are at totally different wavelengths, Rev.

Ryan suggests cuts to Medicare.  Medicare goes to seniors.

Razgovory suggests Republicans only cut programs that don't go to "us."

Yi concludes Razgovory thinks seniors are not Republicans.

Razgovory expresses confusion.
You win the strawman contest.  'grats.
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Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 29, 2011, 06:40:25 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 28, 2011, 10:18:13 PM
I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.  You and I are at totally different wavelengths, Rev.

Ryan suggests cuts to Medicare.  Medicare goes to seniors.

Razgovory suggests Republicans only cut programs that don't go to "us."

Yi concludes Razgovory thinks seniors are not Republicans.

Razgovory expresses confusion.

Yep, totally different wavelengths.  I thought I was clear, I was talking about cowboy poets.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Razgovory on June 29, 2011, 08:58:07 AM
Yep, totally different wavelengths.  I thought I was clear, I was talking about cowboy poets.

I see.  So when you posted "So far all I see is.." what you really meant was "So far at least one thing I see is."

Another possibility is you only read the part about Ryan's proposal that mentioned cowboy poets, and had never heard he is proposing cuts to Medicare.

Razgovory

Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 29, 2011, 04:54:09 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 29, 2011, 08:58:07 AM
Yep, totally different wavelengths.  I thought I was clear, I was talking about cowboy poets.

I see.  So when you posted "So far all I see is.." what you really meant was "So far at least one thing I see is."

Another possibility is you only read the part about Ryan's proposal that mentioned cowboy poets, and had never heard he is proposing cuts to Medicare.

Cowboy poets was something someone else mentioned.  Ryan's proposal could be taken slightly more serious if it actually reduced debt rather then create it.

In fact I never mentioned the Ryan Plan or Ryan.  I was talking about rank and file Tea Party members and the platitudes they swallow.  Why you assumed I was talking about Ryan really did perplex me. 

http://www.slate.com/content/slate/blogs/weigel/2011/04/19/poll_70_percent_of_tea_party_supporters_oppose_medicare_cuts.html

And it appears that Most Tea Party types don't like Medicare cuts either.

According to this:

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1892/tea-party-republicans-divide-cuts-federal-spending

The only places where a majority of Tea Party types favor cutting are Foreign Aid, Unemployment benefits, Environmental protection, and Healthcare.  I suspect the last two have to do with crazy conspiracy theories (Climate change is a Hoax! Obamacare Deathpanels!), more then anything else.  The first two don't make up the the Majority of the Tea Party (foreigners and the unemployed), I suspect.  I was surprised that "Aid to US needy" didn't have majority.  Times are tough all over, I suppose. I found an older poll for conservatives where they approved the cutting of "Welfare", but would not cut when asked about specific programs.  It was from 2008, so it didn't seem that important.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017