Unions: good for workers or bad for business?

[grumbler]

On a more serious note, I would like to thank Berkut and grumbler for making it like old times. I missed when they were reduced to personal attacks/insults (Berkut) and trying to change the argument so that it fits their point (grumbler) when a thread wasn't going their way.

Missed you guys! 

And I missed your inevitable personal attacks (like your post cited above) when you ran out of factual counter-arguments.  If you cannot argue the argument, maybe you can argue the opponent's character! 

My argument in this thread was purely that Patterson should, and could, reduce salary expenditures by reducing employee numbers, if the unions would not support reductions in per-employee expenditures.  Now that you have conceded that he can do this, the fact that you do not comprehend how NY could be an "at will employment" state and still have labor contracts is irrelevant, and we have no others issues in contention. 

[grumbler]

Question: what exactly does a parole officer do?  I really have no idea. 

He knocks on doors from 9pm to 12pm, apparently.

Yep.  $77,000 for three hours a day is pretty good wages.  Works out to about $100 an hour.  Almost a plumber's wages! 

[crazy canuck]

Yep.  $77,000 for three hours a day is pretty good wages.  Works out to about $100 an hour.  Almost a plumber's wages! 

Sometimes I wish I had taken my uncle up on his offer when I was in university and joined his plumbing company.  Probably would have made more money with less stress.

[ulmont]

Question: what exactly does a parole officer do?  I really have no idea. 

He knocks on doors from 9pm to 12pm, apparently.

Yep.  $77,000 for three hours a day is pretty good wages.  Works out to about $100 an hour.  Almost a plumber's wages! 

9pm to 12pm is a 15-hour night-shift stretch...

[DGuller]

9pm to 12pm is a 15-hour night-shift stretch...

I hope he knocks on more than one door during a shift.

[grumbler]

Yep.  $77,000 for three hours a day is pretty good wages.  Works out to about $100 an hour.  Almost a plumber's wages! 

9pm to 12pm is a 15-hour night-shift stretch...

The US government style manual http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2000_style_manual&docid=chapter_txt-9 disagrees.  But we should let Strix tell us whether he meant that he worked a three hour day or a fifteen-hour day (though, in the latter case, an annualized average of only 27 felons apprehended per four thousand hours of work is pretty freakin' inefficient).

[garbon]

The US government style manual http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2000_style_manual&docid=chapter_txt-9 disagrees. 

Interessant.

[ulmont]

The US government style manual http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2000_style_manual&docid=chapter_txt-9 disagrees.

The 2008 US government style manual http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2008_style_manual&docid=f:chapter9.wais agrees.

[ulmont]

The US government style manual http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2000_style_manual&docid=chapter_txt-9 disagrees.

Interessant.

Nah, they changed it in the version after the one grumbler cited.

[garbon]

Nah, they changed it in the version after the one grumbler cited.

It is interesting to me that it was ever that way. No wonder am vs. pm can be confusing. Even our government can't decide what it wants.

[Strix]

Hey Strix, how many of the felons you have arrested this year are on parole for violent offenses?

I have arrested two murders, several for CPW (criminal possesion of a weapon), a couple rapists, and a few on for robbery. The others were assorted burglary, CSCS/CPCS (sale/possession of drugs), and larceny.

[Strix]

grumbler, you conceded my point about "at will" so I am not sure what you're attempting to argue now other than your usual trying to change the argument to fit the point you were making stuff.

[Berkut]

So people get parole for murder and rape?

[ulmont]

So people get parole for murder and rape?

Yep.  In Georgia, until very recently, the "life without parole" sentence was only available for a murder where the death penalty was sought (but, obviously, not granted).

Even if life without parole is an option, it's not always going to be the sentence.

[DGuller]

Anyway, I see no point in belittling what Strix does.  Obviously he does an important job.  However, it doesn't mean that he doesn't get overpaid for it.