IKEA exploits the American Worker, is racist

[Pat]

Why not?

[Valmy]

The question is rather why one would choose a system where the majority of people has to work under the conditions you describe.

Only 20% of our workers work in manufacturing and not all manufacturing jobs are identical to working for IKEA.  And compared to most manufacturing jobs in the world we have it pretty good

Not sure how a fraction of 20% constitutes the majority of the people.

[Valmy]

Besides I am not exactly sure how our system is all that much compared to yours 

[Valmy]

No kidding. You can have free market capitalism or socialdemocrat state with worker protections and high taxes - but not have it both ways.

So there is no private property in social democratic countries?  No capital markets?  The United States has no worker protection laws?

This is fascinating information.

[Pat]

No kidding. You can have free market capitalism or socialdemocrat state with worker protections and high taxes - but not have it both ways.

So there is no private property in social democratic countries?  No capital markets?  The United States has no worker protection laws?

This is fascinating information.

Yeah I mean you could say a social democratic system is all about having it both ways - letting the state do what it does good and the market do what it does good.

[Ideologue]

He's right though.

Not really.

Am too X infinity (plus one).

Unions are a valuable method of redressing the negotiating-power imbalance.  What's so sacred about a sophisticated, centralized employer's negotiating advantage over his atomized employees?

[Admiral Yi]

Why not?

Because a free market relies on having a large number of buyers and a large number of sellers bidding against each other.  Unions replace the large number of sellers with just one.  That's a monopsony, a price setter not a price taker.

[Valmy]

Because a free market relies on having a large number of buyers and a large number of sellers bidding against each other.  Unions replace the large number of sellers with just one.  That's a monopsony, a price setter not a price taker.

It is the same reason why Corporatism is bad.

[HVC]

I find it funny that in the sane thread some one is argueing for a system while at the same time bragging about getting around having to pay his contribution to the system

[CountDeMoney]

No kidding. You can have free market capitalism or socialdemocrat state with worker protections and high taxes - but not have it both ways.

So there is no private property in social democratic countries?  No capital markets?  The United States has no worker protection laws?

This is fascinating information.

No shit.

the Europeans enjoy a minimum wage of about $19 an hour and a government-mandated five weeks of paid vacation.
...
The company made 2.7 billion euros in profit last year, up 6.1% from 2009, according to its most recent financial statements.

Wow.  Competitive, decent wages and benefits?  AND turning a profit?  At the same time?  Amazing!

[Valmy]

Wow.  Competitive, decent wages and benefits?  AND turning a profit?  At the same time?  Amazing!

Unpossible.  All jobs must be outsourced and corporate taxes need to zero just for them to survive.

[CountDeMoney]

Wow.  Competitive, decent wages and benefits?  AND turning a profit?  At the same time?  Amazing!

Unpossible.  All jobs must be outsourced and corporate taxes need to zero just for them to survive.

Well, there's turning a profit, and then there's turning a profit [starsspangled]American-style![/starspangled]

[Slargos]

I find it funny that in the sane thread some one is argueing for a system while at the same time bragging about getting around having to pay his contribution to the system

In my early days in the immigrant ghetto, I lived with a guy like that.

A rabid socialist who turned up at our door step one day and DEMANDED lodging. The collective voted to take pity on his mentally challenged self and he was allowed to move in.

We had plenty of heated arguments about The System until one day I learned that he routinely "jumped the turn stiles" so to speak. There are no turn stiles in Oslo, of course, so it's figuratively speaking. He simply didn't feel it was necessary to pay his part in the commute because it was convenient to him not to.

In my experience, most die hards are this way. As long as the state forces them to contribute they are fine with it (they claim), and they're perfectly happy to let others contribute, but if they can get away with not contributing themselves they're smugly happy about it.

Disgusting people.

[grumbler]

If you don't like your pay then quit. That's what I did.

If you don't get job opportunities where you are then move to the jobs. That's what I did.

If you are American whine like a little baby. That's not what I did.

And yet, here you are, whining like a baby in this post! 

[Slargos]

If you don't like your pay then quit. That's what I did.

If you don't get job opportunities where you are then move to the jobs. That's what I did.

If you are American whine like a little baby. That's not what I did.

And yet, here you are, whining like a baby in this post! 

Does not follow. Troll.