Teaching the Civil War, 150 Years Later...THE MEGATHREAD

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grumbler

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April 11, 2011, 11:07:39 AM
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Lettow77

#46
April 11, 2011, 11:08:56 AM
It can't be helped...We'll have to use 'that'

Habbaku

#48
April 11, 2011, 11:14:37 AM
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Lettow77

#49
April 11, 2011, 11:19:28 AM
It can't be helped...We'll have to use 'that'

KRonn

#50
April 11, 2011, 12:44:12 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 11, 2011, 10:24:14 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on April 11, 2011, 10:19:58 AM
Quote from: Lettow77 on April 11, 2011, 04:12:39 AM
QuoteNew problem chief, the Confederate's defeat at Gettysburg can in part be blamed on Lee not listening to Longstreet's advice.

Or in Longstreet's unenthusiastic and flawed execution of Lee's orders.

"[N]o 15,000 men ever arrayed for battle can take that position."  An enthusiastic and eager-to-follow-orders Longstreet (assuming that's the problem, which I don't believe) would've resulted in more pointless losses for the South.

I bet 15,000 SS with Tigers mounting 10.5cm guns (two each) could have.
Probably, but not if the South kept those Tigers tanks in the replacement pool too long.    ;)

Slargos

#51
April 11, 2011, 02:11:30 PM
Given the lack of a sufficient support- and infrastructure, those tanks will be fine looking statuettes strewn about the landscape within weeks. The cost of attempting to get any use of them will only speed up the southern loss.

grumbler

#52
April 11, 2011, 02:23:59 PM
I didn't know Painfully Unfunny was doing cartoons now.
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dps

#53
April 11, 2011, 04:29:42 PM
When I was in school, we were usually taught that the Confederate defeat at Gettysburg was Ewell's fault, but I think that Lee was correct about where the blame lay.

CountDeMoney

#54
April 11, 2011, 05:02:41 PM
By his own account, Longstreet knew that Lee's singular flaw was that when he got his blood up over the enemy, there was no talking him out of the attack.

The first day was bad luck.  The second day was *this* close.  There was going to be no talking Lee out of the attack on the third day. Absolutely no way, no matter how much Longstreet counselled against it.

To hang it on Longstreet for failing to talk Lee out of something there was no chance of talking him out of is bullshit.  And to think Longstreet in any way sabotaged or purposefully delayed the 2nd day attack on the Round Tops is even more bullshit.

I recommend the upcoming 8-volume magnum opus, Robert E. Lee at War: The Mind and Method of a Great American Soldier, soon to be released by Military History Press.

:D

Razgovory

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April 11, 2011, 06:34:58 PM Last Edit: April 11, 2011, 06:37:31 PM by Razgovory
Quote from: derspiess on April 11, 2011, 10:46:50 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on April 10, 2011, 10:52:29 PM
I watched Gettysburg this evening.  Hadn't seen it in a while.  I hadn't realized before how Lee comes off as a delusional old kook.

Odd-- that was the first impression I got when I first saw it in the theater.  Particularly with the eerie music they played when he was explaining his plan for Pickett's Charge to Longstreet-- almost made Lee look like a psychopath.  Not to mention the look on Tom Berenger's face.

I think they overplayed that, and I would not have picked Martin Sheen to play Lee, but Sheen did a lot better in that role than I expected.  Tom Berenger was awesome, and I'm not just saying that cuz I'm a Longstreet fanboi :ph34r:

You're older then I am.  You probably watched at a higher level  then a grade schooler would.
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CountDeMoney

#56
April 11, 2011, 06:39:07 PM
I felt Sheen did just fine, and was a much more convincing Lee than Duvall was.  Duvall came across as too craggy, too bow-legged and raw.  Sheen was true Virginian genteelman.

Berkut

#57
April 11, 2011, 06:55:32 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on April 11, 2011, 05:02:41 PM
By his own account, Longstreet knew that Lee's singular flaw was that when he got his blood up over the enemy, there was no talking him out of the attack.

The first day was bad luck.  The second day was *this* close.  There was going to be no talking Lee out of the attack on the third day. Absolutely no way, no matter how much Longstreet counselled against it.

To hang it on Longstreet for failing to talk Lee out of something there was no chance of talking him out of is bullshit.  And to think Longstreet in any way sabotaged or purposefully delayed the 2nd day attack on the Round Tops is even more bullshit.

I recommend the upcoming 8-volume magnum opus, Robert E. Lee at War: The Mind and Method of a Great American Soldier, soon to be released by Military History Press.

:D

He wasn't really all the great during the time he was an American soldier though.
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Admiral Yi

#58
April 11, 2011, 07:07:02 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 11, 2011, 06:55:32 PM
He wasn't really all the great during the time he was an American soldier though.

Performed very well in Mexico.

Viking

#59
April 11, 2011, 07:09:17 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 11, 2011, 07:07:02 PM
Quote from: Berkut on April 11, 2011, 06:55:32 PM
He wasn't really all the great during the time he was an American soldier though.

Performed very well in Mexico.

Name one american general that performed badly in mexico?
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