[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Grey Fox]

You are not suppose to translate the name.

[crazy canuck]

No comments about Mulcair being shown the door?  Languish is dying.

[Grallon]

No comments about Mulcair being shown the door?  Languish is dying.

The NDP will return to being a fringe party and will lose most of its appeal in Quebec.  I wasn't expecting him to be dismissed in such a cavalier fashion though.



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[viper37]

No comments about Mulcair being shown the door?  Languish is dying.

thought about it, but I lacked the time.

I agree with Grallon.

[Grey Fox]

unless Alexandre Boullerice gets the job.

[crazy canuck]

Interesting.  If the NDP move further to the left why would they lose their appeal in Quebec?

[Grey Fox]

Interesting.  If the NDP move further to the left why would they lose their appeal in Quebec?

Do you know a lot of Political parties popular in Quebec without a Quebec born leader?

[crazy canuck]

Interesting.  If the NDP move further to the left why would they lose their appeal in Quebec?

Do you know a lot of Political parties popular in Quebec without a Quebec born leader?

Do you think that Jack Layton being born in Montreal was really that significant?

[viper37]

Interesting.  If the NDP move further to the left why would they lose their appeal in Quebec?

Do you know a lot of Political parties popular in Quebec without a Quebec born leader?

Do you think that Jack Layton being born in Montreal was really that significant?

he spoke French, he developped a genuine interest for Quebec and he was charismatic.

[crazy canuck]

Interesting.  If the NDP move further to the left why would they lose their appeal in Quebec?

Do you know a lot of Political parties popular in Quebec without a Quebec born leader?

Do you think that Jack Layton being born in Montreal was really that significant?

he spoke French, he developed a genuine interest for Quebec and he was charismatic.

That is why I asked the question.  All those things are possible without being born in the Province of Quebec.

[Grey Fox]

Interesting.  If the NDP move further to the left why would they lose their appeal in Quebec?

Do you know a lot of Political parties popular in Quebec without a Quebec born leader?

Do you think that Jack Layton being born in Montreal was really that significant?

Yes. I think the same man but born in Kingston only makes him look like a patronizing Ontarian.

[Josephus]

As a former, and occasional, NDP voter, I'm not sorry to see him go. He grossly underestimated Trudeau in the election as well as overestimated leftists' desire to move to the centre.

[Barrister]

No comments about Mulcair being shown the door?  Languish is dying.

Mulcair was a Tony Blair-like figure trying to lead the NDP to a majority, when its membership would prefer a Bernie Sanders or Jeremy Corbyn-like figure to lead them to perfect socialist opposition.  It's funny though - the NDP has no history of turfing out its leaders, and generally stuck by them even through defeat after defeat.

There don't appear to be any real obvious figures for the NDP to turn to.  It will interesting to see where they go.  Grallon's suggestion that they will lose Quebec support without a Quebec leader is not without merit.  NDP support in Quebec is a very new thing.  Up until Jack Layton they had no MPs from Quebec, and in fact had only ever elected one MP from that province (maverick Phil Edmonston).



On the Conservative side there have been few announcements.  So far only Bernier and Kellie Leitch have announced.

[crazy canuck]

No comments about Mulcair being shown the door?  Languish is dying.

Mulcair was a Tony Blair-like figure trying to lead the NDP to a majority, when its membership would prefer a Bernie Sanders or Jeremy Corbyn-like figure to lead them to perfect socialist opposition.  It's funny though - the NDP has no history of turfing out its leaders, and generally stuck by them even through defeat after defeat.

I think the reason the NDP parted with their tradition of letting a defeated leader continue to lead is because in every other case the NDP lost because it kept its left leaning agenda.  It was not the leader's fault.  This time, the narrative appears to be that the NDP lost because the leader moved the toward the middle.

I don't know if that is particularly fair.  Many of the policies of the NDP were more left leaning than the Liberals.  But the Liberals were much more effective at seeming to be more progressive than the NDP this time around.

[crazy canuck]

As a former, and occasional, NDP voter, I'm not sorry to see him go. He grossly underestimated Trudeau in the election as well as overestimated leftists' desire to move to the centre.

Everybody grossly underestimated Trudeau.  I don't think it is fair to single out Mulcair for not being the one person who realized the prevailing wisdom would turn out wrong.