[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[viper37]

And in other news:

Dear Prime Minister Carney: Please let this Letter serve to represent that the Board of Peace is withdrawing its invitation to you regarding Canada's joining, what will be, the most prestigious Board of Leaders ever assembled, at any time,[\quote]

Carney certainly won't sleep well tonight. 

[Grey Fox]

One of the few instances where I agree with Blanchet it seems.

[Bauer]

A lot less proud of Carney after that speech on the Plaine d'Abraham. The RoC remains the same smug ass in denying that it was a conquest followed by 200 years of trying to assimilate us.

Fucking Christ.

I'm not as outraged as Blanchet - well, I am not outraged, but, it's clear we are having a moment of two solitudes again.

But he's not denying it was a conquest, he clearly states so.  The assimilation attempt is glossed over by simpler, less damaging words.  They're still there under the "struggle" umbrella.

But yea, it's anglo history.  Kumbaya and all that.

I'm actually kinda surprised that old battle is sticking point still.  Why even bother bringing it up. 

Yeah us anglos don't know Quebec very well, but I do think there is French influence baked into the Canadian identity ever so subtlety nonetheless.

Our public schools could really use more focus on increasing academics at young ages in my opinion.  I know so many people shocked at how kids don't get homework here.  Better / earlier French is one way of doing that.

[viper37]

One of the few instances where I agree with Blanchet it seems.

Read Le Journal tomorrow. MBC UNCHAINED!!!

[HVC]

Defending anglos, voting liberal, I'm so proud of the new Viper 

[garbon]

Defending anglos, voting liberal, I'm so proud of the new Viper 

[Zoupa]

I'm actually kinda surprised that old battle is sticking point still.  Why even bother bringing it up. 

A real unforced error. Imagine Biden giving a speech at Wounded Knee or Starmer at Waterloo.

Yeah us anglos don't know Quebec very well, but I do think there is French influence baked into the Canadian identity ever so subtlety nonetheless.

I'm sure you mean well, but even this comment is grating. Oh that sprinkle of frogness. It's not supposed to be subtle, it's supposed to be equal. 50-50. And if the PM of Canada doesn't "know Quebec very well", what kind of example is that?

Our public schools could really use more focus on increasing academics at young ages in my opinion.  I know so many people shocked at how kids don't get homework here.  Better / earlier French is one way of doing that.

Sure, why not. I'm kinda shocked how unilingual white anglos are. I play D&D in BC, 8 ppl total. 30-45. Men and women. I'm the only one who speaks more than just english. They all took French in school. They all go to Mexico and stuff. Zero effort. Broaden your horizons, folks.

[crazy canuck]

Actually, the location of the beach was perfect. Given the content of the speech was about resisting the Americans. GF has cherry picked one paragraph of a lengthy speech to give the impression that the speech was about something else.

The speech was held at a citadel built to resist the Americans.

[crazy canuck]

I'm actually kinda surprised that old battle is sticking point still.  Why even bother bringing it up. 

A real unforced error. Imagine Biden giving a speech at Wounded Knee or Starmer at Waterloo.

Yeah us anglos don't know Quebec very well, but I do think there is French influence baked into the Canadian identity ever so subtlety nonetheless.

I'm sure you mean well, but even this comment is grating. Oh that sprinkle of frogness. It's not supposed to be subtle, it's supposed to be equal. 50-50. And if the PM of Canada doesn't "know Quebec very well", what kind of example is that?

Our public schools could really use more focus on increasing academics at young ages in my opinion.  I know so many people shocked at how kids don't get homework here.  Better / earlier French is one way of doing that.

Sure, why not. I'm kinda shocked how unilingual white anglos are. I play D&D in BC, 8 ppl total. 30-45. Men and women. I'm the only one who speaks more than just english. They all took French in school. They all go to Mexico and stuff. Zero effort. Broaden your horizons, folks.

And your view of unilingual French speakers?  Zero effort people who should learn English or some other language?

[Grey Fox]

Actually, the location of the beach was perfect. Given the content of the speech was about resisting the Americans. GF has cherry picked one paragraph of a lengthy speech to give the impression that the speech was about something else.

The speech was held at a citadel built to resist the Americans.

Do you acknowledge that Quebec became English because of conquest? We consider that field the place where the decisive battle happened. Acknowledging what happened there later without first acknowledging that is insulting and small mindedness. A given from the RoC towards the events of the mid 1700s.

I cherry picked nothing, his overall point is inconsequential.

[crazy canuck]

For those of you who are not familiar with the location of where the speech took place and the historical significance of it, here is a very good explanation.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DT1SbDakqLg/?igsh=MXQ3a3kyd3N2anJ3cg==


GF, you are certainly taking the comments out of context.  The overall point of the speech is actually important.  Only somebody with a particular grievance would argue that context is unimportant.

[Jacob]

A question for the Quebecois and other Francophones:

If you were tasked with writing a speech with the following brief for Carney:

• Acknowledge the location where the speech is taking place
• Recognize the history between the French and British
• Argue that things have improved and Canada is pretty okay
• Acknowledge that there are other constituents in Canada than Brits and French
• Not piss off the Quebecois
• Segue to "so here's what we're going next" in terms of political direction

... how would you go about it?

I thought Carney's speech did a pretty good job, but obviously it failed on the "Not piss of the Quebecois" part. I'd find it very instructive to understand how to do it right, if that's possible.