[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Grey Fox]

Can't convince Singh to kill the government right now & I don't think Trudeau will hear any of this. Dude thinks, rightfully, that he saved the Liberal party & therefore Canada, he's not going to start election earlier than force to.

But you know, there is no scenario where I think Housing Millhouse has a PM is something I want to live in.

[HVC]

I read an article, can't find it now, basically saying Trudeau in 2017 did a pretty good job at gathering support across party lines to lobby the US to not screw over Canada, and with the CUSMA agreement they did pretty okay.  But it's hard to see the parties coming together in such an effort right now with a looming election.

So you're saying that the conservatives would be willing to screw over Canada to get one over on Trudeau and we should reward them by putting them in power sooner?

[Barrister]

I read an article, can't find it now, basically saying Trudeau in 2017 did a pretty good job at gathering support across party lines to lobby the US to not screw over Canada, and with the CUSMA agreement they did pretty okay.  But it's hard to see the parties coming together in such an effort right now with a looming election.

So you're saying that the conservatives would be willing to screw over Canada to get one over on Trudeau and we should reward them by putting them in power sooner?

I think the Conservatives would say that it would screw Canada over much more for them to voluntarily give up and hand the Trudeau Liberals another mandate at this point.

Because really my #1 point is that we'd be better off right now with a right-wing government, but that the fallback #2 of a Liberal government with a fresh mandate would still be preferable to another year of lame-duck Trudeau.

[HVC]

I think Mr P. will win. Whether that's a good thing, I doubt it, but you play with the cards you're dealt. The contention that he'd damage canada to win doesn't add more browny points to his legacy. In which case scenario 2 because all the more preferable (though still unlikely).

That being said, I don't think Poilievre would have any more luck then Trudeau. Trump doesn't care about canadian politics or its economy.  What would make a difference is the opinion of border states. And they don't care who leads canada either, since any support they would give would be out of self interest not as a kind gesture to a canadian PM.

[Barrister]

I think Mr P. will win. Whether that's a good thing, I doubt it, but you play with the cards you're dealt. The contention that he'd damage canada to win doesn't add more browny points to his legacy. In which case scenario 2 because all the more preferable (though still unlikely).

That being said, I don't think Poilievre would have any more luck then Trudeau. Trump doesn't care about canadian politics or its economy.  What would make a difference is the opinion of border states. And they don't care who leads canada either, since any support they would give would be out of self interest not as a kind gesture to a canadian PM.

Stop me if you've heard this before, but Trump is very mercurial, and driven by personal grievance.

There's long been a suggestion that Trump does not like Trudeau:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/tom-mulcair-donald-trump-has-a-long-enemies-list-and-prime-minister-justin-trudeau-is-on-it-1.7100238

(just as one example)

YOu suggested above:

So you're saying that the conservatives would be willing to screw over Canada to get one over on Trudeau

That attack works just the same the other way.  If we're stuck ion a year-long election campaign until fall 2025, the Liberals best attack on Poilievre is to link him to Trump.  I think I used the phrase "call him a maple-flavoured Trump".  I think that attack is probably his best line of attack - Trump is not popular in Canada.  But wouldn't that mean Trudeau is screwing over Canada in order to get one over on Poilievre?  Trump is not going to be impressed if he's constantly attacked in Canada by the sitting Prime Minister.

[crazy canuck]

I actually prefer to do lots of business by mail. Email is so janky these days. So much important stuff gets put in the junk email folder or gets lost in all the junk that gets through to my inbox. I just cannot trust it.

So if you want me to pay a bill or whatever, please mail me some dead trees.

Most electronic bill paying is not done through email.

I don't pay by mail. I pay online. But the bills I pay I ask to be mailed to me. Otherwise shit gets lost, there is just too much electronic garbage out there for me to keep track of it.

Can't you set up etf payments at the websites of the places that bill you?  We pay our utilities, local taxes, etc that way.  It's much more convenient and you don't have to keep a paper copy of your transactions.

[Valmy]

I actually prefer to do lots of business by mail. Email is so janky these days. So much important stuff gets put in the junk email folder or gets lost in all the junk that gets through to my inbox. I just cannot trust it.

So if you want me to pay a bill or whatever, please mail me some dead trees.

Most electronic bill paying is not done through email.

I don't pay by mail. I pay online. But the bills I pay I ask to be mailed to me. Otherwise shit gets lost, there is just too much electronic garbage out there for me to keep track of it.

Can't you set up etf payments at the websites of the places that bill you?  We pay our utilities, local taxes, etc that way.  It's much more convenient and you don't have to keep a paper copy of your transactions.

I do with the ones that are predictable and monthly. But annual bills and things like tolls I need a bill to review before I pay them.

[viper37]

Because really my #1 point is that we'd be better off right now with a right-wing government, but that the fallback #2 of a Liberal government with a fresh mandate would still be preferable to another year of lame-duck Trudeau.

I think both are horrible governments.

But for the first time in my life, I think there is something worst than a Liberal government.

And this makes me very sad.

PP is a populist that keeps spouting nonsense and has no economic vision.  Worst, unlike past party leaders, he surrounds himself with yes-men rather than people who could challenge him and his vision.  Any kind of critical sense is gone from this party.  I guess he's going to revive his Bitcoin nonsense now that it's up again.