[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[Grey Fox]

Getting Mulroney out is quite the double speak from O'Toole.

[Jacob]

Kenney has admitted he was wrong, apologized, and - it seems - Alberta is introducing vaccine passports and implementing a number of other measures.

Good to see him making the responsible decision at this juncture. My opinion of him has gone up.

[Barrister]

Kenney has admitted he was wrong, apologized, and - it seems - Alberta is introducing vaccine passports and implementing a number of other measures.

Good to see him making the responsible decision at this juncture. My opinion of him has gone up.

Too little, too late from Kenney.  Bring back Rachel Notley.



Alberta has re-introduced :
-mandatory work-from-home again
-restaurants closed to indoor dining
-one third maximum capacity
-no outdoor adult sports or recreation (kids sports may continue)

We're back on the Covid lockdown rollercoaster. Whee!

Now I'm just waiting to hear what the courts are going to do...

[Grey Fox]

Kenney has admitted he was wrong, apologized, and - it seems - Alberta is introducing vaccine passports and implementing a number of other measures.

Good to see him making the responsible decision at this juncture. My opinion of him has gone up.

Too little, too late from Kenney.  Bring back Rachel Notley.

Alberta has re-introduced :
-mandatory work-from-home again
-restaurants closed to indoor dining
-one third maximum capacity
-no outdoor adult sports or recreation (kids sports may continue)

We're back on the Covid lockdown rollercoaster. Whee!

Now I'm just waiting to hear what the courts are going to do...

Atleast, he's reacting to the imminent collapse of Alberta's HC system.

[Jacob]

Grey Fox - this is the reason the BQ participates in the English debates: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/bloc-debate-reaction-1.6176663 - it can help drive up the BQ vote when the people in Quebec are annoyed by how the debate plays out.

[Grey Fox]

*Zoupa.

Grey Fox thinks every qualified leader can participate in the debates, no matter the language of it.

[crazy canuck]

Chrétien is still insanely popular with the old Liberal base, so presumably it's meant to dynamize the faithful. Mulroney is a cue for the recentering move, hoping to attract new voters, who probably don't remember Airbus (but remember the simmering right-wing energy of the CPC)

O'Toole's main problem now though is the PPC draining off support.  Bringing in the guy who was in power when the Reformers split is not exactly going to entice the far right of the party back.

[crazy canuck]

Kenney has admitted he was wrong, apologized, and - it seems - Alberta is introducing vaccine passports and implementing a number of other measures.

Good to see him making the responsible decision at this juncture. My opinion of him has gone up.

Too little, too late from Kenney.  Bring back Rachel Notley.



Alberta has re-introduced :
-mandatory work-from-home again
-restaurants closed to indoor dining
-one third maximum capacity
-no outdoor adult sports or recreation (kids sports may continue)

We're back on the Covid lockdown rollercoaster. Whee!

Now I'm just waiting to hear what the courts are going to do...

Well yes, far too little far too late.

Also the "vaccine" passport is a bit of a sham.  Albertans don't actually have to get vaccinated.  They can provide something which is unregulated and undefined which says they have a negative test within the last three days.  Once again Kenney cannot enact proper public policy because he has to keep his core conservative anti vax nut bars placated.

The problem in Alberta is not with the areas where the vaccination rate is high.  It is the rural areas where people are not getting vaccinated. 

[HVC]

There's social life and there's judicial life.

Everyone calls you Bob.  You mom and dad call you Bob.  Your friends call you Bob.  Your boss calls you Bob.

But your ID says "Robert Brown".  If you want to change it so that your driver's license says Bob Lebrun, you have to ask the Directeur de l'État Civil for a legal name change.

Sometimes, it will refuse, than its up to the tribunals, and they generally lean toward the freedom of the individual to use the name it wishes to, especially if, socially, it's been using it for years.

The law is there to protect the spouse from undue religious influence, but if they truly want to live their lives subordinate to their husband's needs, the law is unlikely to intercede itself into this part of the private life.

Right, it is just that the government website makes it sound like the use of the name given at birth is mandatory for civil law purposes.  I don't blame HVC for taking that at face value.

I defer to the law talking guy and admit i was wrong in my understanding.

[Barrister]

Well yes, far too little far too late.

Also the "vaccine" passport is a bit of a sham.  Albertans don't actually have to get vaccinated.  They can provide something which is unregulated and undefined which says they have a negative test within the last three days.  Once again Kenney cannot enact proper public policy because he has to keep his core conservative anti vax nut bars placated.

The problem in Alberta is not with the areas where the vaccination rate is high.  It is the rural areas where people are not getting vaccinated.

Well we can certainly agree that it's far too late and that Kenney has to go (if not prosecuted for crimes against humanity), no jurisdiction in Canada mandates vaccines.  Kenney is stupid enough to think that calling it "Proof of vaccination" will make people think it's different from a "vaccine passport", but still the new Alberta system seems little different functionally then what has been brought in in other jurisdictions.

And while Edmonton and Calgary have lower Covid rates than almost any other places in the country, in absolute numbers the cities rates are still high.  Calgary has 295 cases per 100k, Edmonton 341 per 100k.   Worst hit appears to be RM Wood Buffalo (Ft McMurray) with 2555 per 100k - so 1 out of 40 people have an active case right now.

[crazy canuck]

BB, stop with your right wing fuckery for just one day.

BC does in fact require vaccines. 

[Barrister]

BB, stop with your right wing fuckery for just one day.

BC does in fact require vaccines.

Details please.

[Jacob]

BB, stop with your right wing fuckery for just one day.

BC does in fact require vaccines.

Details please.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/vaccinecard.html

By order of the Provincial Health Officer (PHO), proof of vaccination is required to access some events, services and businesses. You must have at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. By October 24, you must be fully vaccinated. The requirement is in place until January 31, 2022 and could be extended.

The requirement applies to all people born in 2009 or earlier (12+) and covers:

Indoor ticketed sporting events with more than 50 people
Indoor concerts, theatre, dance and symphony events with more than 50 people
Licensed restaurants and cafes and restaurants and cafes that offer table service (indoor and patio dining), including liquor tasting rooms in wineries, breweries or distilleries
Pubs, bars and lounges (indoor and patio dining)
Nightclubs, casinos and movie theatres
Gyms, exercise/dance facilities/studios and these activities happening in recreation facilities
Businesses offering indoor exercise/fitness
Indoor adult group and team sports for people 22 years old or older
Indoor organized events with 50 or more people.
For example: wedding and funeral receptions (outside of a funeral home), organized parties, conferences, trade fairs and workshops
Indoor organized group recreational classes and activities with more than 50 people like pottery, art and choir
Post-secondary student housing
Spectators at indoor youth sporting events with more than 50 people
Note: Proof of vaccination is not required to vote in-person in the September 20 federal election or at advance polling places.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8187685/bc-health-care-workers-mandatory-covid-vaccine-employment/

All health-care workers in B.C. must be immunized against COVID-19 to work in a health-care facility in any part of the province, officials announced Monday.

This new measure, announced by the provincial health officer, Dr. Bonnie Henry, will come into effect on Oct. 26, and will apply to anyone working in acute and community care, along with people who work in home care.

It will be a requirement for all workers, physicians, contractors and volunteers, Henry added.

"It will be a condition of employment," she said.

"The ultimate end for those who choose not to get vaccinated who work in healthcare will be leave without pay."

Henry added that there will be considerations for people who cannot medically receive the COVID vaccines and those cases will be looked at as they arise. She said it may mean people are reassigned to another position or it may mean more testing needs to take place.

Previously, only those working in long-term care and assisted living facilities need to be fully vaccinated against COVID.

[Barrister]

BB, stop with your right wing fuckery for just one day.

BC does in fact require vaccines.

Details please.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/vaccinecard.html

Not any more a requirement than what Alberta just introduced.

As of Monday if you want to dine inside a restaurant you need to provide proof of vaccination.  Retail, entertainment and recreational facilities can operate as normal if they require proof of vaccination - otherwise it's 1/3 capacity, wear a mask, 2m separation.  My adult hockey league is shut down - unless they require proof of vaccination (I don't think any decision has been made).

I guess the only difference is Alberta will also accept a negative Covid test within 72 hours, but that doesn't sound like much of a difference to me.  It's hardly realistic for someone to constantly be getting Covid tests.

[Jacob]

Not any more a requirement than what Alberta just introduced.

As of Monday if you want to dine inside a restaurant you need to provide proof of vaccination.  Retail, entertainment and recreational facilities can operate as normal if they require proof of vaccination - otherwise it's 1/3 capacity, wear a mask, 2m separation.  My adult hockey league is shut down - unless they require proof of vaccination (I don't think any decision has been made).

I guess the only difference is Alberta will also accept a negative Covid test within 72 hours, but that doesn't sound like much of a difference to me.  It's hardly realistic for someone to constantly be getting Covid tests.

This was probably crossposted with the edit in which I added the parts describing how vaccines are mandatory for all workers in healthcare in BC - which is probably more to the point of the discussion.