[Canada] Canadian Politics Redux

[viper37]

Well I guess there isn't much to discuss there. I guess good luck with continue culture wars with your immigrants? You hardly are going to get them to join in happily with your society if you insist on alienating them.

Oh?  We are alienating them?  Funny, I thought some insisted on being alienated

All muslims are welcome.  All Americans too.  And French, and British.  I don't think we refuse immigrants from any country, but it's obvious it's easier for some to enter here than others.  I don't see a problem with that.
The goal of immigration is to enrich our society with new talent.  We do not willingly accept criminals, on a general basis, though there are exceptions, and the nature of the crime obviously counts a lot.

But occasionally, some people seek to abuse of our asylum.  Some come here to get a Canadian passport hoping it will be a get out of jail and out of the country free card in case of problems.  Some come here to seek refuge for serious crimes they commited under a previous administration in their country.  Some come here to find better work opportunities.  Some others because the social net is attractive.  Lots of frauds too on this count.  Nevertheless, I never felt that immigration was a revolving, unlocked door, where everyone can come here, no questions asked.  It's a social contract between the newly arrived and the host country.  We do our part, you do yours.  You have 5 years to adopt the way of the land into your cultural traditions.  If you can't do it, you don't belong here.  If you're unwilling to participate in the society, you don't belong here, there are many other countries in the world.  Immigration in a country is not an inalienable human right, you know.
We don't have to grant citizenship to everyone who wants to.

[viper37]

Besides it is not like people required to wear religious headgear make up a huge percentage of their immigrants.

From the degree to which they protest, you would think so.

of course, we should always wait until a problem becomes unmanageable to seek solutions.  God forbid we seek to prevent problems by adopting sensible policies, that'd be a crime against humanity.

[viper37]

In this case, it's the very same ceremonial. 

From the article:

Zunera Ishaq was scheduled to become a Canadian citizen last year. She came to Canada in 2008, and in late 2013 passed the citizenship test. All that remained was for her to take the oath. It's a public ceremony, where new Canadians pledge allegiance to the Queen and their new country.

it's not my fault 3/4 of the countries insist on keeping offensive colonial symbols.  I wonder why the Americans never flew the Confederate flag over the Washington Capitol, to celebrate reconciliation.

[viper37]

Viper, if you had the choice between the swearing in ceremony allowing veils and head coverings, but it no longer referenced the Queen but aprather Canada only; or the swearing in ceremony playing up the royal connections but disallowing headwear, which would you choose?

Basically, what's the bigger issue? Hats or allegiance to the crown?

why not both?  why not get rid of the colonial past and walk together toward the future?

But if I had to chose, obviously, the allegiance to the crown.  I can be positively identified by a judge as to whom I am, the rest is between me and my conscience.

[Malthus]

In this case, it's the very same ceremonial. 

From the article:

Zunera Ishaq was scheduled to become a Canadian citizen last year. She came to Canada in 2008, and in late 2013 passed the citizenship test. All that remained was for her to take the oath. It's a public ceremony, where new Canadians pledge allegiance to the Queen and their new country.

it's not my fault 3/4 of the countries insist on keeping offensive colonial symbols.  I wonder why the Americans never flew the Confederate flag over the Washington Capitol, to celebrate reconciliation.

It is just funny to see you guys get bent out of shape because some immigrants don't show what you yourself state are "offensive colonial symbols" sufficient respect - by removing their funny hats in their presence/ceremonies. 

[Valmy]

of course, we should always wait until a problem becomes unmanageable to seek solutions.  God forbid we seek to prevent problems by adopting sensible policies, that'd be a crime against humanity.

Hey there is no human right to become a Canadian Citizen.  We are only questioning the sensibility of the policy.

[Valmy]

it's not my fault 3/4 of the countries insist on keeping offensive colonial symbols.  I wonder why the Americans never flew the Confederate flag over the Washington Capitol, to celebrate reconciliation.

Did we never do that?  Because it kind of sounds like something we would have done.

Anyway there never was a British-Canadian war so that analogy kind of falls flat.

[viper37]

Harper and his cabinet want votes in Quebec

they don't need Quebec, and they made it clear ever since the last election
If they really want votes in Quebec, they should have thought twice before naming a unilingual anglophone as Minister of Foreign Affairs.  Not that I really care given the timing of the next election, but still, if what he wants is votes from Quebec, naming bilingual people in key positions should be something Harper thinks of first, not after multiple complaints.  Since that is the case, I assume he has completely forgotten about Quebec and concentrates on Ontarian votes, the only ones he needs to sit with a comfortable majority.

[crazy canuck]

they don't need Quebec

I am sure they will be happy to know that their majority is assured. 

[Valmy]

When the Canadian National Anthem is played all non-traitors remove their hats.  It is obvious Sikhs stand with the terrorists.

Nobody removes his hat in Canada by -40C.

True North Strong and Free my ass

[garbon]

Oh?  We are alienating them?  Funny, I thought some insisted on being alienated

Yeah, I think we call those people Québécois.

[garbon]

Besides it is not like people required to wear religious headgear make up a huge percentage of their immigrants.

From the degree to which they protest, you would think so.

of course, we should always wait until a problem becomes unmanageable to seek solutions.  God forbid we seek to prevent problems by adopting sensible policies, that'd be a crime against humanity.

Well it sounds like a great political move. Get the populace all riled up about a non-issue so as to distract from other, actually important, failures in governance.

[viper37]

Did we never do that?  Because it kind of sounds like something we would have done.

Only the Southern States had one on their respective Capitol, Alabama notably.  Don't think it ever sit well with the Northerners, but I guess there are some States rights in the Constitution after all

[viper37]

Wow, it seems really antiquated that people can do what they want as long as they keep it in their homes, their bedrooms.

There are places for practicing your religion, you know.  For Christians, we call them Church.  How you want to shape your life according to your religion is yours to decide.  Otherwise, you get yourself in a situation where creationism is taught as science in publicly funded schools and that is unaceptable.

[viper37]

Well it sounds like a great political move. Get the populace all riled up about a non-issue so as to distract from other, actually important, failures in governance.

there are no failure in this government.  They are deeply religious people, and as we all know, religious people have the highest standards of morality we can expect.  As such, we should strive to accomodate any & all religious practices of people, no matter how offensive or silly they may be, in any kind of situation that may arise now and for the foreseeable future.