Languish Here I Stand (9?) Thread

[Berkut]

It's also really dependent on drawing 3 CP+ cards of which I didn't draw many in turns 6 and 7. Also woulda been nice if the Prottys could have won a debate or two in England instead of getting steamrolled every time.

Yes, then I would have won a religious auto-victory...I was 5 spaces away

I help the Peasants Revolt for a couple turns, just in case I needed to stop a late win by you.

[Habbaku]

I help the Peasants Revolt for a couple turns, just in case I needed to stop a late win by you.

It really is a devastating card if played properly (by an anti-Protestant player).

[Delirium]

Congratulations to Habs on the win, but he didn't seem to need to play that well, most of the players never cared about what needs to be done to stop the Ottomans and I certainly didn't produce enough of a threat with my own play. The alliance with the Protestants to target Antwerp, that was cool though.

In my view Berk played an inspired Papacy and probably needed to play better to almost win.

Given that very few of the players looked interested in long-term play I'm surprised the game lasted seven turns. Overall the way people approached this game has had a negative effect on my appreciation of Here I Stand.

[ehrie]

Congratulations to Habs on the win, but he didn't seem to need to play that well, most of the players never cared about what needs to be done to stop the Ottomans and I certainly didn't produce enough of a threat with my own play. The alliance with the Protestants to target Antwerp, that was cool though.

In my view Berk played an inspired Papacy and probably needed to play better to almost win.

Given that very few of the players looked interested in long-term play I'm surprised the game lasted seven turns. Overall the way people approached this game has had a negative effect on my appreciation of Here I Stand.

That doesn't seemto make much sense. In order of play turn:

Habbaku - Won so yes, he played a really really good game.
Del - Can't really see what you did wrong either. Surrendering Austria was tough, but all the people around you took turns being on the brink of winning.
Me - I had one chance to win and went for it. Can't really see what I did wrong. I never had cards that could negativly affect any player all game.
Tamas - He played a kind of passive France, sure, but I find it hard as France to make war on anybody because it's so easy for another player to stab you in the back.
Berkut - He played awesome, IMO. To be so far down and come to the brink of victory was very impressive
Ulmont - I mean, what else did you want from him? He had sickeningly luck early on, why wouldn't you try and capitalize on that?

[Berkut]

Well, to be fair to Del, the hapsburgs have a very hard job in HiS. While they have a great shot at winning, they are hard pressed to balance all the things they need to do.

However, I do not agree that others did little to stop the Ottomans - quite honestly, the only one who can really stop the Ottomans is the Hapsburgs. He can get some help with fleet loans and such, and certainly people should be doing that, but the onus is on him, and of course people will use those fleet loans as bargaining chips.

ANd Jeromey is really, really good at playing the Ottomans. It is a tough road to beat him, and I actually think that most everyone played a decent game. HiS among good players comes down to timing, luck, and recognizing when the timing is right to do something big.

What ehrie said about France is true - it is hard for them to go to war with others - but that doesn't mean they should not - it just means they need to be very careful about their timing. In fact, I would say that barring some amazing luck, France cannot win without a war.

Timing is everything. Jeromey won, but most of the other players could have won, and Jeromey won because he was able to get the cards and dice he needed when he needed them - and he set himself up so that that opportunity would present itself.

I think I did the same thing - but it didn't fall my way this time. It was still a lot of fun.

[Caliga]

I saw today that GMT is making a sequel to this game called "Virgin Queen" that goes from 1559 - 1598.

[Habbaku]

Yeah, I've been helping play-test it off and on.  It's a lot more involved and I think a lot of the sub-systems need to be excised from the game.  Of course, it's only at version .4 or something by now, so there's plenty of time to fix it.

One of the largest problems seems to be the attempt to force it to be a 6-player game.

[garbon]

I saw today that GMT is making a sequel to this game called "Virgin Queen" that goes from 1559 - 1598.

Yes the sequel has been in production for a while. They just finally added it to their PS500 list for pre-order.