TV/Movies Megathread

[Admiral Yi]

I think you know the basic outline of it. Soze manipulates the protagonists to get rid of the dude that can recognize him (and then sloppily allows himself to be identified by a survivor, but whatever).

But how do you know that actually happened?  It seems to me the whole movie is basically told in flashback by Soze to the detective.  How can you tell which parts are true and which are false?

[celedhring]

I think you know the basic outline of it. Soze manipulates the protagonists to get rid of the dude that can recognize him (and then sloppily allows himself to be identified by a survivor, but whatever).

But how do you know that actually happened?  It seems to me the whole movie is basically told in flashback by Soze to the detective.  How can you tell which parts are true and which are false?

We know that the key events in the film are real, since we see them outside Kint's narration:

- That the protagonists were arrested and put in a lineup, where they all met.
- That the raid on the boat happened.

How we go from one to another is what Kint's story is. There's lots of lies in it (but we also know that Postlewaithe's character is real, since we see him in the ending), but I suspect the essence of it is meant to be true. Kint lies to protect his own identity and his associates'. All the stuff in the bulletin board are just names (Redfoot and Kobayashi) or super ancillary stuff to his story.

We could also debate whether a bunch of flashbacks that occur outside of Kint's PoV are meant to be real (since those can't be things that Kint is telling Detective Kujan), which would also cement a bunch of stuff.

Also Kint's plea deal story has to check out at the most basic level, so I presume he didn't lie in the stuff that's going to be on the record, or easy to corroborate. I.e. the hit on the taxi service probably happened.

[Eddie Teach]

It's understandable, though. I think at the time it was made Ted Cruz was just a local politician with no profile.

?? What does Ted Cruz have to do with it? 

He was the killer.

[Admiral Yi]

How we go from one to another is what Kint's story is. There's lots of lies in it (but we also know that Postlewaithe's character is real, since we see him in the ending), but I suspect the essence of it is meant to be true. Kint lies to protect his own identity and his associates'. All the stuff in the bulletin board are just names (Redfoot and Kobayashi) or super ancillary stuff to his story.

That's pretty much my point.  Once we discover Verbal is Soze and Soze has been lying, we can assume some things he said were untrue, especially the stuff like Kobayashi, but we know very things that are true.  The whole Soze back story about being an Albanian gangster who murders his own family is, IIRC, related by Verbal.  How can we, the audience, even know Kaiser Soze exists?

[celedhring]

How we go from one to another is what Kint's story is. There's lots of lies in it (but we also know that Postlewaithe's character is real, since we see him in the ending), but I suspect the essence of it is meant to be true. Kint lies to protect his own identity and his associates'. All the stuff in the bulletin board are just names (Redfoot and Kobayashi) or super ancillary stuff to his story.

That's pretty much my point.  Once we discover Verbal is Soze and Soze has been lying, we can assume some things he said were untrue, especially the stuff like Kobayashi, but we know very things that are true.  The whole Soze back story about being an Albanian gangster who murders his own family is, IIRC, related by Verbal.  How can we, the audience, even know Kaiser Soze exists?

Keyser Soze exists because several other people mention him outside of Kint. Remember that at first Kint tries to hide Soze's involvement, and he's forced to spill the beans once the Hungarian wakes up in the hospital and mentions Soze. He has to change his story (saying that he was afraid of Soze and that's why he didn't mention him) and then manipulate Kujan into believeing Keaton was Soze.

The bit about the boat not transporting drugs but a man that can recognize Soze is also real, since this info is uncovered by another cop, not offered by Kint.

[jimmy olsen]

Ridley Scott announces Napoleon and Gladiator 2.  Woah!

Napoleon and Gladiator 2? Does Gladiator come forward in time at the moment of death to do battle with Napoleon? Maybe Napoleon could be modeled on Cyrus from the 300 movie and have all sorts of weird shit around him. The Old Guard could be monsters!

Could be an idea.  You should submit it

Napoleon is going to be filmed soon and Gladiator 2 is apparently already written and will start shooting immediately after that.

If Gladiator 2 is based on the script that was written right after the first one was a success, it took place in the Underworld and IIRC he had to fight Hannibal or something like that.

[jimmy olsen]

X-Men Origins Wolverine (2007)

This is mostly forgettable; though some of the interaction/fight scenes between Sabertooth and Wolverine are well done.  (It helps that Liev Schrieber can snarl, sneer and preen with the best of them, such as Hugh Jackman.)  More than anything the concept of the film is a mistake.  Logan is a mystery man; any attempt at explaining that mystery falls flat and weakens the character.  Tuco gets the back story, not The Man with no Name or (speaking of sneering) Angel Eyes - that wouldn't have worked.

Eh...the comic was good. So, I think the movie good could have been good as well.

[The Brain]

Ridley Scott announces Napoleon and Gladiator 2.  Woah!

Napoleon and Gladiator 2? Does Gladiator come forward in time at the moment of death to do battle with Napoleon? Maybe Napoleon could be modeled on Cyrus from the 300 movie and have all sorts of weird shit around him. The Old Guard could be monsters!

Could be an idea.  You should submit it

Napoleon is going to be filmed soon and Gladiator 2 is apparently already written and will start shooting immediately after that.

If Gladiator 2 is based on the script that was written right after the first one was a success, it took place in the Underworld and IIRC he had to fight Hannibal or something like that.

Please let it be Idris.

[jimmy olsen]

I've never seen Galaxy Quest.

When it came out it just seemed lame?  I mean - making fun of Star Trek?  Not exactly that difficult to do.

But I've heard numerous takes like this so perhaps I should give it a try.

I had originally not wanted to see [Galaxy Quest] because I heard that it was making fun of Star Trek and then Jonathan Frakes rang me up and said "You must not miss this movie! See it on a Saturday night in a full theatre." And I did and of course I found it was brilliant. Brilliant. No one laughed louder or longer in the cinema than I did

— Patrick Stewart (Jean-Luc Picard on TNG)

I've had flashbacks of Galaxy Quest at the many conventions I've gone to since the movie came out. I thought it was an absolute laugh-a-minute.

— Tim Russ (Tuvok on Voyager)

I thought it was very funny, and I thought the audience that they portrayed was totally real, but the actors that they were pretending to be were totally unrecognizable. Certainly I don't know what Tim Allen was doing. He seemed to be the head of a group of actors, and for the life of me I was trying to understand who he was imitating. The only one I recognized was the girl playing Nichelle Nichols.

— William Shatner (James T. Kirk on TOS)

I loved Galaxy Quest. I thought it was brilliant satire, not only of Trek, but of fandom in general. The only thing I wish they had done was cast me in it, and have me play a freaky fanboy who keeps screaming at the actor who played 'the kid' about how awful it was that there was a kid on the spaceship. Alas.

— Wil Wheaton (Wesley Crusher on TNG)[42]

I think it's a chillingly realistic documentary. [laughs] The details in it, I recognized every one of them. It is a powerful piece of documentary filmmaking. And I do believe that when we get kidnapped by aliens, it's going to be the genuine, true Star Trek fans who will save the day. ... I was rolling in the aisles. And [star] Tim Allen had that Shatner-esque swagger down pat. And I roared when the shirt came off, and [co-star] Sigourney [Weaver] rolls her eyes and says, "There goes that shirt again." ... How often did we hear that on the set? [Laughs]

— George Takei (Hikaru Sulu on TOS)

[celedhring]

Galaxy Quest is brilliant. You'll love it BB.

[Berkut]

Galaxy Quest is brilliant. You'll love it BB.

Definitely.

[The Minsky Moment]

Sam Rockwell alone is worth the price of admission.

[crazy canuck]

Sam Rockwell alone is worth the price of admission.

Yeah, he was great.  Alan Rickman was brilliant. Sigourney Weaver was Sigourney Weaver.

BB, you need to watch this.

[Admiral Yi]

Big shout out for Tony Shaloub.

[Sheilbh]

Good God - just found a show on Amazon Prime. It's a British procedural (ITV would be my guess ) about a priest who investigates candidates for sainthood and, on the side, exorcises demons.

I feel very targeted by the algorithm