TV/Movies Megathread

[Darth Wagtaros]

I'm done with DC.  Suicide Squad was teh sux, Justice League was teh sux on rox. 

I'll check it out when it is free on Netflix or Prime.  Maybe.  But four hours of a hacked together mess of a hacked togeher mess is 3 hours too long.  I'll just watch the Honest Trailer or Pitch Meeting.

[Eddie Teach]

It's free on HBO.

[Sheilbh]

I thought Snyder was fine working from comics where he more or less only has to translate the comic images to the screen (300, Watchmen). Without that ... well, couldn't care less.

Agreed. I think he can adapt someone else's work - he will make it overly serious and turgid but he can film a comic book scene to look like a comic book scene, which apparently some people want.

But he just doesn't have enough ideas to sustain that level of portentousness on his own. I think if you stopped all the absurd slow-mos etc the film would clock in at a sensible 90 minutes.

I think the big thing that has helped Marvel is that I feel like they get people who are good and get film to do stuff (Favreau, Branagh, Coogler, Waititi etc) - which I think gets a better result than people who get comics necessarily which I'm 100% convinced Snyder does.

[celedhring]

The thing with Marvel is that every movie is coated by a feeling of sameness that makes them easily watchable, but ultimately uninteresting (with some exceptions). So even though they are the most successful, the best superhero movies imho have not been done by Marvel/Disney.

Incidentally, watched the first episode of Falcon & Winter Soldier. It was okay I guess.

[celedhring]

Incidentally, the latest "god, you're old" moment is seeing so many twitter posts explaining what are the black vertical bars you see when watching Justice League on modern panoramic tellies, and when I was a kid the bars that needed explainin' were the horizontal ones...

[Duque de Bragança]

The thing with Marvel is that every movie is coated by a feeling of sameness that makes them easily watchable, but ultimately uninteresting (with some exceptions). So even though they are the most successful, the best superhero movies imho have not been done by Marvel/Disney.

With some qualifications about "easily watchable".

[Duque de Bragança]

Incidentally, the latest "god, you're old" moment is seeing so many twitter posts explaining what are the black vertical bars you see when watching Justice League on modern panoramic tellies, and when I was a kid the bars that needed explainin' were the horizontal ones...

I see it as the more it changes, the more it changes i.e people complaining about black bars since they do not understand their purpose.
Unsurprisingly, I have no nostalgia for pan and scanned transfers as well.

[Sheilbh]

The thing with Marvel is that every movie is coated by a feeling of sameness that makes them easily watchable, but ultimately uninteresting (with some exceptions). So even though they are the most successful, the best superhero movies imho have not been done by Marvel/Disney.

Oh 100%. For me it's like Bond - Marvel seems like early Bond (Connery through Moore) while the DC films seem like late Daniel Craig Bond which is just a bit of a chore.

[Duque de Bragança]

The thing with Marvel is that every movie is coated by a feeling of sameness that makes them easily watchable, but ultimately uninteresting (with some exceptions). So even though they are the most successful, the best superhero movies imho have not been done by Marvel/Disney.

Oh 100%. For me it's like Bond - Marvel seems like early Bond (Connery through Moore) while the DC films seem like late Daniel Craig Bond which is just a bit of a chore.

No love for Timothy Dalton and Pierce Brosnan? Much better actors than Craig, the latter bordering on wooden at times.

PS: I see Lazenby does not even enter the contest. 

[Sheilbh]

Dalton foreshadows Craig, Brosnan's the last gasp of Connery/Moore.

I think Craig's a terrific actor - especially when he doesn't obviously hold the material in utter contempt I adored him in Knives Out for example. And I don't think he's the issue with his Bond films - Casino Royale is great and it was good to see a sort of darker Bond where there are obviously some consequences from what he does. It's just that after that all the films are so serious and everything needs to have meaning and some backstory/personal revenge etc. It's just kind of exhausting.

As I say I'm not a Marvel or a DC fanboy - there are loads of these films I've missed and I don't know the comic book mythos. But Marvel fundamentally seems normally quite fun, quite light and zip along at a decent pace. If you choose one on Netflix you have a decent idea what you're going to get - as with early Bond. The recent DC ones I've seen are sort of the opposite in my experience - they're serious and want to be a bit gritty and are not zippy at all - there's too much meaning and things are too important for something like humour or pace. And I think when you add Snyder to that you're just multiplying it

[Liep]

Fauda. Very thrilling Isreali counter terrorism series. Definitely a Homeland-vibe.

[Duque de Bragança]

Dalton foreshadows Craig, Brosnan's the last gasp of Connery/Moore.

I think Craig's a terrific actor - especially when he doesn't obviously hold the material in utter contempt I adored him in Knives Out for example. And I don't think he's the issue with his Bond films - Casino Royale is great and it was good to see a sort of darker Bond where there are obviously some consequences from what he does. It's just that after that all the films are so serious and everything needs to have meaning and some backstory/personal revenge etc. It's just kind of exhausting.

Can't lump Connery/Moore together, sorry. Back in the day, this would be outrageous for the James Bond "purists". 
Dalton arguably foreshadows Craig in Licence to Kill, with a nice '80s touch to boot , less so for the the other one.

Last Brosnan's Bond was hampered by the then somewhat new so not really mastered CGI (still a problem nowadays truth be said IMO).

Lazenby's On her Majesty's secret service is actually one of the best of the series.

[FunkMonk]

Dalton foreshadows Craig, Brosnan's the last gasp of Connery/Moore.

I think Craig's a terrific actor - especially when he doesn't obviously hold the material in utter contempt I adored him in Knives Out for example. And I don't think he's the issue with his Bond films - Casino Royale is great and it was good to see a sort of darker Bond where there are obviously some consequences from what he does. It's just that after that all the films are so serious and everything needs to have meaning and some backstory/personal revenge etc. It's just kind of exhausting.

As I say I'm not a Marvel or a DC fanboy - there are loads of these films I've missed and I don't know the comic book mythos. But Marvel fundamentally seems normally quite fun, quite light and zip along at a decent pace. If you choose one on Netflix you have a decent idea what you're going to get - as with early Bond. The recent DC ones I've seen are sort of the opposite in my experience - they're serious and want to be a bit gritty and are not zippy at all - there's too much meaning and things are too important for something like humour or pace. And I think when you add Snyder to that you're just multiplying it

Yeah I think there is a lot to the differences between Marvel and DC movies now. Marvel has developed a sort of easy-to-watch, almost vanilla flavor to it that I think is starting to wear on people though. And like you said, the main DC films are full of meaning and can be a chore to watch and absolutely aren't meant as a fun, adventurous popcorn flick like Marvel is.

I've enjoyed Avengers a lot more in totality but have recently come around to Snyder's DC movies. All in all, it's good to have very different kinds of movies, even if they're covering roughly the same material. You can kind of see this in Star Wars now, with things like The Mandalorian as a different take on the Star Wars universe.

[Darth Wagtaros]

The problem is adding pathos and gloominess to Justice League or Superman runs contrary to what the base material is about.   SUperman is about hope, a bright future, etc.  Snyder handle the Watchmen - a cynical and slow moving deconstruction of comics - well.  then again, DC couldn't even make Suicide Squad -w hich could have been played with cynicism and gloominess - into a pile of Deadpoollite crap.

[Eddie Teach]

Well, I enjoyed Justice League before. I'm not sure anything was gained by the longer cut, but still perfectly fine. I hope they eventually make a Darkseid movie as they had set up for a sequel.