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Started by Eddie Teach, March 06, 2011, 09:29:27 AM

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garbon

Quote from: Tamas on September 17, 2019, 03:58:26 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 17, 2019, 03:57:35 AM
:unsure: Wikipedia says Churchill did serve on the front in between government gigs.

:rolleyes: there were no Brits anywhere near Verdun, let alone Churchill. He did serve on the front but at a completely different place (and time).

Doesn't strike me as anything more egregious than what they did on shows like the Tudors.
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Duque de Bragança

Quote from: garbon on September 17, 2019, 04:31:03 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 17, 2019, 03:58:26 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 17, 2019, 03:57:35 AM
:unsure: Wikipedia says Churchill did serve on the front in between government gigs.

:rolleyes: there were no Brits anywhere near Verdun, let alone Churchill. He did serve on the front but at a completely different place (and time).

Doesn't strike me as anything more egregious than what they did on shows like the Tudors.

Damning with faint praise. :D

garbon

Quote from: Duque de Bragança on September 17, 2019, 05:11:07 AM
Quote from: garbon on September 17, 2019, 04:31:03 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 17, 2019, 03:58:26 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 17, 2019, 03:57:35 AM
:unsure: Wikipedia says Churchill did serve on the front in between government gigs.

:rolleyes: there were no Brits anywhere near Verdun, let alone Churchill. He did serve on the front but at a completely different place (and time).

Doesn't strike me as anything more egregious than what they did on shows like the Tudors.

Damning with faint praise. :D

True, that's a show I gave up after two seasons. -_-
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Tamas

Never watched the Tudors.


But placing Churchill and the Brits to Verdun was completely pointless, they could have just mentioned the Somme. What it shows clearly is the creators' utter ignorance to the history behind the times they pretend to portrait. It was just utterly lazy.

garbon

Quote from: Tamas on September 17, 2019, 06:02:45 AM
Never watched the Tudors.


But placing Churchill and the Brits to Verdun was completely pointless, they could have just mentioned the Somme. What it shows clearly is the creators' utter ignorance to the history behind the times they pretend to portrait. It was just utterly lazy.

I think it just shows it is not a priority. They could be hardworking folk but not seen as important for the show. :contract:
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Josephus

Tudors had some hot nakeds in it.
Civis Romanus Sum<br /><br />"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." Jack Layton 1950-2011

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Tamas on September 17, 2019, 06:02:45 AM
Never watched the Tudors.


But placing Churchill and the Brits to Verdun was completely pointless, they could have just mentioned the Somme. What it shows clearly is the creators' utter ignorance to the history behind the times they pretend to portrait. It was just utterly lazy.

They messed up a detail that 99% of their viewers won't notice. Relax.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Tamas

Quote from: garbon on September 17, 2019, 06:53:26 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 17, 2019, 06:02:45 AM
Never watched the Tudors.


But placing Churchill and the Brits to Verdun was completely pointless, they could have just mentioned the Somme. What it shows clearly is the creators' utter ignorance to the history behind the times they pretend to portrait. It was just utterly lazy.

I think it just shows it is not a priority. They could be hardworking folk but not seen as important for the show. :contract:

Really? There was no plot reason to pretend the British Army was at places it weren't. If you knew it wasn't at Verdun you would just leave that part out. This was clearly a case "so what big battles were there again?" followed by 4 seconds of Google use. How much trust am I supposed to have that any other period detail in there is even remotely correct? If the whole thing is just entirel made up shit in terms of environment and such, what's the point of watching?

Tamas

Quote from: Eddie Teach on September 17, 2019, 07:08:55 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 17, 2019, 06:02:45 AM
Never watched the Tudors.


But placing Churchill and the Brits to Verdun was completely pointless, they could have just mentioned the Somme. What it shows clearly is the creators' utter ignorance to the history behind the times they pretend to portrait. It was just utterly lazy.

They messed up a detail that 99% of their viewers won't notice. Relax.

See my previous reply. Such a period show is a collection of mundane details, nothing else sets it apart from a contemporary or fantasy series, than the mundane details pertaining to the period it covers. This one particular mundane detail I happened to know about, but what about the gazillion other ones? Evidence shows they were sucked out of the creators' thumbs as well.

Eddie Teach

They're all fantasies in one way or another.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Malthus

Quote from: Tamas on September 17, 2019, 06:02:45 AM
Never watched the Tudors.


But placing Churchill and the Brits to Verdun was completely pointless, they could have just mentioned the Somme. What it shows clearly is the creators' utter ignorance to the history behind the times they pretend to portrait. It was just utterly lazy.

It's a show about a bunch of gangsters. That detail was just that - a background detail they mention in passing. It doesn't affect the plot at all.  :huh:
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

garbon

Quote from: Malthus on September 17, 2019, 07:15:27 AM
Quote from: Tamas on September 17, 2019, 06:02:45 AM
Never watched the Tudors.


But placing Churchill and the Brits to Verdun was completely pointless, they could have just mentioned the Somme. What it shows clearly is the creators' utter ignorance to the history behind the times they pretend to portrait. It was just utterly lazy.

It's a show about a bunch of gangsters. That detail was just that - a background detail they mention in passing. It doesn't affect the plot at all.  :huh:

Exactly
"I've never been quite sure what the point of a eunuch is, if truth be told. It seems to me they're only men with the useful bits cut off."
I drank because I wanted to drown my sorrows, but now the damned things have learned to swim.

Tamas

The character of Churchill was a major plot device. Is it really too big an ask to get this very basic and easy fact right?

If the creators are so lax and careless about something so TRIVIALLY easy to get right, why should I put any trust into any other piece of portrayal being even remotely accurate to the period?

So simply, I have stopped watching. There are endless numbers of gangster flicks, most of them not requiring this level of suspension fo disbelief.

If you are into the  Eastenders But with Gangsters And In Grandpa's Clothes idea, don't let me stop you.

Malthus

Quote from: Tamas on September 17, 2019, 07:51:00 AM
The character of Churchill was a major plot device. Is it really too big an ask to get this very basic and easy fact right?

If the creators are so lax and careless about something so TRIVIALLY easy to get right, why should I put any trust into any other piece of portrayal being even remotely accurate to the period?

So simply, I have stopped watching. There are endless numbers of gangster flicks, most of them not requiring this level of suspension fo disbelief.

If you are into the  Eastenders But with Gangsters And In Grandpa's Clothes idea, don't let me stop you.

The fun in Peaky Blinders is in the overall cinematography (the show *looks* great), and in the interactions of the characters - somewhat similar to other gangster dramas. In Peaky Blinders, the creators make no attempt to be period realistic in *all* ways - the soundtrack, for example, is wholly modern ('Red Right Hand' by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds is the title track!). That's because it is a fantasy that happens to be set in the 1920s, and not a period documentary.

That's something you either like, or not. 
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

Tamas

It's bloody Sons of Anarchy in old people's clothes.


As I said, if you can look past the incredibly two-dimensional characters, cookie-cutter plot, and wanton disregard for the period they proclaim to be portraying, good for you. But I didn't like it.