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Obama at the G20: Report Card

Started by Berkut, April 09, 2009, 10:15:22 AM

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Obamas grade at the G20 and related trip

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Jaron would be an improvement.

Berkut

So, what grade does Obama get for his recent trip?

Pros:
Everyone loved him.
He didn't throw up on anyone.
Euro media adores him
Everyone really, really, REALLY likes the new, accommodating, go along and get along American president.

Cons
Russia played him
Western European leaders roundly ignored his requests that they spend more stimulus money
No new troops for Afghanistan to speak of
He genuflected to the Saudis (this could go in the Pro category, depending on your perspective)

I am going to give him a B-. Could have been worse - he could have been ineffective AND unpopular.
"If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven't been paying attention."

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DGuller

Didn't vote.  This poll doesn't have an "A+" option.

Eochaid

Quote from: Berkut on April 09, 2009, 10:15:22 AM
Western European leaders roundly ignored his requests that they spend more stimulus money

Didn't they agree to inject another 1,100 billion dollars?

Otherwise, I give him a B. He's still got some flaws (like not being European :p) but he did good.

Kevin
It's been a while

derspiess

#3
Well, not everyone loved him.  A Guardian writer had this take on Our Dear Community Organizer when he was stuck trying to speak without a teleprompter:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/03/g20-barack-obama-nick-robinson-question

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The question that flummoxed the great orator

    * John Crace
      o The Guardian, Friday 3 April 2009


Barack Obama, the World's Greatest Orator (™all news organisations), didn't exactly cover himself in glory when the BBC's political editor Nick Robinson asked him a question about who was to blame for the financial crisis. Normally word perfect, Obama ummed, ahed and waffled for the best part of two and a half minutes. Here, John Crace decodes what he was really thinking ...

Nick Robinson: "A question for you both, if I may. The prime minister has repeatedly blamed the United States of America for causing this crisis. France and Germany both blame Britain and America for causing this crisis. Who is right? And isn't the debate about that at the heart of the debate about what to do now?"

Brown immediately swivels to leave Obama in pole position. There is a four-second delay before Obama starts speaking [THANKS FOR NOTHING, GORDY BABY. REMIND ME TO HANG YOU OUT TO DRY ONE DAY.] Barack Obama: "I, I, would say that, er ... pause [I HAVEN'T A CLUE] ... if you look at ... pause [WHO IS THIS NICK ROBINSON JERK?] ... the, the sources of this crisis ... pause [JUST KEEP GOING, BUDDY] ... the United States certainly has some accounting to do with respect to . . . pause [I'M IN WAY TOO DEEP HERE] ... a regulatory system that was inadequate to the massive changes that have taken place in the global financial system ... pause, close eyes [THIS IS GOING TO GO DOWN LIKE A CROCK OF SHIT BACK HOME. HELP]. I think what is also true is that ... pause [I WANT NICK ROBINSON TO DISAPPEAR] ... here in Great Britain ... pause [SHIT, GORDY'S THE HOST, DON'T LAND HIM IN IT] ... here in continental Europe ... pause [DAMN IT, BLAME EVERYONE.] ... around the world. We were seeing the same mismatch between the regulatory regimes that were in place and er ... pause [I'VE LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT AGAIN] ... the highly integrated, er, global capital markets that have emerged ... pause [I'M REALLY WINGING IT NOW]. So at this point, I'm less interested in ... pause [YOU] ... identifying blame than fixing the problem. I think we've taken some very aggressive steps in the United States to do so, not just responding to the immediate crisis, ensuring banks are adequately capitalised, er, dealing with the enormous, er ... pause [WHY DIDN'T I QUIT WHILE I WAS AHEAD?] ... drop-off in demand and contraction that has taken place. More importantly, for the long term, making sure that we've got a set of, er, er, regulations that are up to the task, er, and that includes, er, a number that will be discussed at this summit. I think there's a lot of convergence between all the parties involved about the need, for example, to focus not on the legal form that a particular financial product takes or the institution it emerges from, but rather what's the risk involved, what's the function of this product and how do we regulate that adequately, much more effective coordination, er, between countries so we can, er, anticipate the risks that are involved there. Dealing with the, er, problem of derivatives markets, making sure we have set up systems, er, that can reduce some of the risks there. So, I actually think ... pause [FANTASTIC. I'VE LOST EVERYONE, INCLUDING MYSELF] ... there's enormous consensus that has emerged in terms of what we need to do now and, er ... pause [I'M OUTTA HERE. TIME FOR THE USUAL CLOSING BOLLOCKS] ... I'm a great believer in looking forwards than looking backwards.

edit: original link is a lot easier to read.
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Razgovory

In what way did Russia "play" him?  Has he handed them something of value?
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Fate

Quote from: Razgovory on April 09, 2009, 10:33:32 AM
In what way did Russia "play" him?  Has he handed them something of value?
Our dignity and the sovereignty of Poland and the Czech Republic.  :menace:

Ed Anger

Automatic "F" because he failed to fill in his Scantron form correctly.
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Grallon

Berkut must be masochistic: he votes for the man then spend time every day to find faults with the man.  :lol:




G.
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~Jean-François Revel

DisturbedPervert

Quote from: derspiess on April 09, 2009, 10:29:08 AM[I'M OUTTA HERE. TIME FOR THE USUAL CLOSING BOLLOCKS] ... I'm a great believer in looking forwards than looking backwards.

"We must move forward, not backward, upward not forward, and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom."


Admiral Yi

Quote from: Razgovory on April 09, 2009, 10:33:32 AM
In what way did Russia "play" him?  Has he handed them something of value?
Nope.  Nope.

It was a meet and greet session, he did that very well.  A-.

I don't really get the question about the financial crisis being America's fault.

Berkut

Quote from: Grallon on April 09, 2009, 10:46:40 AM
Berkut must be masochistic: he votes for the man then spend time every day to find faults with the man.  :lol:

G.

Hey, I never claimed that I thought he was going to be awesome.

And besides, what fun is there in the uncritical hero worship of political leaders? We should be critical and questioning.

And anyway, I gave him a B - what more do you want?
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Valmy

The foreigners seem to be happy.  I give him an A-.  Heck it even made the world markets break out of their slump for a few seconds.

Anyway the President should only go abroad to shake hands and kiss babies.  It is like Saladin said, Kings only meet once they are ready to sign the treaty.  The heavy lifting is supposed to be done by Hillary and Co.
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KRonn

What...wait... Obama went overseas.... again!? When is he ever here, doing his job? Only two months and the guy is gallivanting around the world!c Sheesh... He obviously needs a ranch in Texas or something.

;)




garbon

Quote from: Valmy on April 09, 2009, 11:03:41 AM
The foreigners seem to be happy.  I give him an A-.  Heck it even made the world markets break out of their slump for a few seconds.

Anyway the President should only go abroad to shake hands and kiss babies.  It is like Saladin said, Kings only meet once they are ready to sign the treaty.  The heavy lifting is supposed to be done by Hillary and Co.


While I agree with the bold bit, I do think that our President should be more than just a figurehead.
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Grallon

Quote from: Berkut on April 09, 2009, 10:55:35 AM

And besides, what fun is there in the uncritical hero worship of political leaders? We should be critical and questioning.



I don't hero worship him.  It just seem every day there's a new thread about something else he should be criticized about.  That's a little too nose-on-the-ground (or the screen) evaluation for my taste.  The effects of many of the things he's doing (or attempting) won't become apparent for some time; despite everybody expecting instantaneous results and gratification.  One doesn't clean up years of mess overnight...



G.
"Clearly, a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself."

~Jean-François Revel