Moscow Metro Bombed

[Josquius]

Just when we thought the Chechens were done.

Who thought that?

The Russians
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8001495.stm

[Lettow77]

 The Chechens have made a tactical mistake. Putin doesnt actually care if russian civilians die.

[Grey Fox]

Maybe it was the Jews of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast?

[Caliga]

Maybe it was the Jews of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast?

  I thought most of them left for Israel after the USSR collapsed.

[Grey Fox]

Maybe it was the Jews of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast?

  I thought most of them left for Israel after the USSR collapsed.

They did, and if wiki is to believe there is around 2000 of them left. But it would be a change of pace, This Tchechens BS isn't interesting anymore.

[Martim Silva]

This is a very sad event 

I'll see what I can find out. Definitely Chechen Black Widows.

[derspiess]

The Russians
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8001495.stm

Yeah, IIRC there were Chechen units gleefully taking part in the conflict against Georgia in '08.  I figured after that point Chechnya was pacified.

[Barrister]

This is a very sad event 

I'll see what I can find out. Definitely Chechen Black Widows.

Your ability to solve a crime committed thousands of miles away is truly remarkable. :worship:

Clearly Chechens are the prime suspects, but until there's some proof - who knows?

[Martinus]

I think one of the problems in the US perception of Russia is that while both the US and Russia are superpowers that tend to be perceived by various Rest of the World countries as evil, Russia actually *is* evil but some Americans tend to have a sort of unwarranted sympathy (or at least, a grudging respect) for it.

[DGuller]

Looks like Putin needs a pretext to seize more power.

So you are the American version of those Euros, Russians, and Arabs who claimed that 9/11 was a plot for Bush to seize power.

It's a far less inconceivable scenario for the Russian secret police.  After all, it's an agency that killed millions of its fellow citizens directly, and that's staffed with trained sociopaths even today. 

This act doesn't sound like a false flag operation, but apartment building bombings that happened at a very convenient time in 1999 are suspicious.  This particular incident is mainly what fuels the conspiracy theories:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings#Ryazan_incident .

[Lettow77]

 Do they, Martinus? Every american I know down here who thinks anything at all of Russia has an extremely phobic and hateful opinion.

Concensus is that they are corrupt, violent, and treacherous schemers, who are plotting for world domination and must be dealt with.

[grumbler]

I am amused at this concept of evil nations.  I thought this kind of thinking went out with the collapse of the USSR, but clearly it lingers in some benighted places like Poland and Mississippi.

That there are evil deeds goes without saying.  That there are evil people is arguable.  That there are evil nations is risible.

[Barrister]

I am amused at this concept of evil nations.  I thought this kind of thinking went out with the collapse of the USSR, but clearly it lingers in some benighted places like Poland and Mississippi.

That there are evil deeds goes without saying.  That there are evil people is arguable.  That there are evil nations is risible.

Calling an entire nation 'evil' - don't think that's fair.

But to call a regime/system of government evil?  I could go along with that.  North Korea's government would seem to fit that title.

[Razgovory]

Looks like Putin needs a pretext to seize more power.

So you are the American version of those Euros, Russians, and Arabs who claimed that 9/11 was a plot for Bush to seize power.

It's a far less inconceivable scenario for the Russian secret police.  After all, it's an agency that killed millions of its fellow citizens directly, and that's staffed with trained sociopaths even today. 

This act doesn't sound like a false flag operation, but apartment building bombings that happened at a very convenient time in 1999 are suspicious.  This particular incident is mainly what fuels the conspiracy theories:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings#Ryazan_incident .

I'm not big into conspiracy theories.  While Russia (and the Soviet union have done many unscrupulous things they tend to be very ham handed about it.

[Martinus]

I am amused at this concept of evil nations.  I thought this kind of thinking went out with the collapse of the USSR, but clearly it lingers in some benighted places like Poland and Mississippi.

That there are evil deeds goes without saying.  That there are evil people is arguable.  That there are evil nations is risible.

Calling an entire nation 'evil' - don't think that's fair.

But to call a regime/system of government evil?  I could go along with that.  North Korea's government would seem to fit that title.

Indeed.