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Queequeg

Quote from: Habsburg on June 11, 2009, 06:18:34 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: Syt on June 10, 2009, 11:24:18 PM
Anyone watched Soderbergh's Ché movies with Benicio del Toro yet? Pt. 1 is coming into a cinema here this weekend, Pt. 2 in two weeks.

Why would anyone watch an excrutiatingly long propagandistic movie glorifying a sadistic mass murderer?



Have to admit, I agree with Hans.  Though that girl is fantastically cute and looks a little like a girl in HS that I had a crush on.  :wub:
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Habsburg


Queequeg

Quote from: Habsburg on June 11, 2009, 06:26:01 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 11, 2009, 06:24:51 PM

Have to admit, I agree with Hans. 

Have you seen the film?


I like my communist propaganda by Eisenstein and to have a barely submerged anti-Stalinist subtext, thank you very much. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Neil

Quote from: BuddhaRhubarb on June 11, 2009, 11:37:21 AM
But they never bite girls... and they're all buff and oiled up all the time... hmmm are Lycans gayer than Vampires? say it ain't so.
On the other hand, there are only a handful of female characters in the entire movie, and most of those are vampires.  The only humans are the wife and daughter at the beginning that get killed by werewolves and then immediately burned by vampires, when David Frost is rescuing the low-budget knock off of Kate Beckinsdale.  Virtually the only female characters in any Underworld movie are Bill Nighy's vampire sluts.
I do not hate you, nor do I love you, but you are made out of atoms which I can use for something else.

Habsburg

Quote from: Queequeg on June 11, 2009, 06:28:30 PM


I like my communist propaganda by Eisenstein and to have a barely submerged anti-Stalinist subtext, thank you very much.

Okay, comtempt prior to investigation, what I thought.  :P

Queequeg

Quote from: Habsburg on June 11, 2009, 06:37:01 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on June 11, 2009, 06:28:30 PM


I like my communist propaganda by Eisenstein and to have a barely submerged anti-Stalinist subtext, thank you very much.

Okay, comtempt prior to investigation, what I thought.  :P
If someone could convince me that the view of Che is balanced, let alone that it comes close to the murderous, hypocritical, sociopathic truth, I'd be the first in line.  But none of the reviews or word of mouth I've heard have even hinted at that. 
Quote from: PDH on April 25, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
"Dysthymia?  Did they get some student from the University of Chicago with a hard-on for ancient Bactrian cities to name this?  I feel cheated."

Habsburg

Regardless of how Che is portrayed (and I don't think Soderbergh takes a hard stance pro-Che), it is amazing filmaking.  :wub:

Savonarola

Double Feature: Way Out West and Blockheads

Laurel and Hardy from the late 30s.  Stan is really starting to show his age in these and (a vaudevillian at heart) he recycles gags from earlier shorts.  Even so they're a treat, loaded with slapstick, surreal humor and the boy's dimwitted verbal gags.  In Way out West we even get to see Stan and Ollie sing and dance.

What I find most interesting about the silent film comedians is how they treat women.  In Charlie Chaplin films women are goddesses; he was married four times, each wife was considerably younger than he was.  Buster Keaton was married three times; his women are always a pain in the ass.  Harold Lloyd was engaged to two of his leading ladies, but only married one, Mildred Davis; the women in his films are sweet but believable.  Stan Laurel was married four times and had another long standing domestic partner; any women portrayed as a wife to either he or Ollie in his films is always a shrew.
In Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, they had five hundred years of democracy and peace—and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock

Eddie Teach

Quote from: Queequeg on June 11, 2009, 06:24:51 PM
Have to admit, I agree with Hans.  Though that girl is fantastically cute and looks a little like a girl in HS that I had a crush on.  :wub:

Looks like a young Julianne Moore.
To sleep, perchance to dream. But in that sleep of death, what dreams may come?

Admiral Yi

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on June 11, 2009, 08:49:10 PM
Looks like a young Julianne Moore.
Yeah, especially the smile. 

She also has Vulcan ears.

Syt

Quote from: Habsburg on June 11, 2009, 06:46:50 PM
Regardless of how Che is portrayed (and I don't think Soderbergh takes a hard stance pro-Che), it is amazing filmaking.  :wub:

That's what the reviewers over here said; that they show Ché not as a hero or idol or icon but rather as a charismatic dogmatist.


I re-watched Nixon yesterday (being 2/3 finished with Dallek's "Nixon & Kissinger: Partners in Power" helped put some details in perspective); and I was bemused by his "YES WE CAN" speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPY_pfrTmnQ
I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein's brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.
—Stephen Jay Gould

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Habbaku

Quote from: Queequeg on June 11, 2009, 06:38:26 PM
If someone could convince me that the view of Che is balanced, let alone that it comes close to the murderous, hypocritical, sociopathic truth, I'd be the first in line.  But none of the reviews or word of mouth I've heard have even hinted at that.

Just like that, Spellus, you have wiped out months of your insanity, in my eyes.   :)
The medievals were only too right in taking nolo episcopari as the best reason a man could give to others for making him a bishop. Give me a king whose chief interest in life is stamps, railways, or race-horses; and who has the power to sack his Vizier (or whatever you care to call him) if he does not like the cut of his trousers.

Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people.

-J. R. R. Tolkien

Malthus

Quote from: Queequeg on June 11, 2009, 06:24:51 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on June 11, 2009, 06:18:34 PM
Quote from: Hansmeister on June 11, 2009, 04:36:19 PM
Quote from: Syt on June 10, 2009, 11:24:18 PM
Anyone watched Soderbergh's Ché movies with Benicio del Toro yet? Pt. 1 is coming into a cinema here this weekend, Pt. 2 in two weeks.

Why would anyone watch an excrutiatingly long propagandistic movie glorifying a sadistic mass murderer?



Have to admit, I agree with Hans.  Though that girl is fantastically cute and looks a little like a girl in HS that I had a crush on.  :wub:

The hell with the Che movie - who is the chick in the clip?  ;)
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane—Marcus Aurelius

ulmont

Quote from: Malthus on June 12, 2009, 08:19:22 AM
The hell with the Che movie - who is the chick in the clip?  ;)

Isn't that Winona Ryder in Heathers?

jimmy olsen

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Quote from: Habsburg on June 11, 2009, 06:46:50 PM
Regardless of how Che is portrayed (and I don't think Soderbergh takes a hard stance pro-Che), it is amazing filmaking.  :wub:
It is far better for the truth to tear my flesh to pieces, then for my soul to wander through darkness in eternal damnation.

Jet: So what kind of woman is she? What's Julia like?
Faye: Ordinary. The kind of beautiful, dangerous ordinary that you just can't leave alone.
Jet: I see.
Faye: Like an angel from the underworld. Or a devil from Paradise.
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