Uh oh guys, the women are starting to figure out we scammed them.

[MadImmortalMan]

I dont think anyone is about to take family and child rearing advice from you. Martinus FTL.

Nonsense! He's an awesome gay super-uncle, remember?

[Ed Anger]

I'd take parenting advice from Hitler before taking it from a languishite.

[PDH]

Wait, what? Jews breed with rabbits?  I think it is spelled "rabbi."

[Ed Anger]

Wait, what? Jews breed with rabbits?  I think it is spelled "rabbi."

That joke isn't kosher.

[Agelastus]

Anyway, it's amazing how so many people seem to operate from a premise that parents actively spending time to raise their children personally is a traditional and time-honored way of doing things, and having someone else to do the task for them (at least part-time) is some newfangled social engineering. 

Using kindergartens and the like is "newfangled social engineering" in a way. Two hundred years ago, I'd be willing to bet the most common situation was "Grandma will look after them".

I agree though that both parents working is nothing unusual in human history. What is seems to me to be unusual now is that the possibility exists that one parent does not have to go out to work thanks to a century of wage inflation.

[garbon]

This is another example of why we need a feminist revolution

The readings for my queer class intimated that we should have a feminist/gay overthrow of marriage. I have to say that I've been seduced again.

[Martinus]

Using kindergartens and the like is "newfangled social engineering" in a way. Two hundred years ago, I'd be willing to bet the most common situation was "Grandma will look after them".

Don't think so. And "two hundred years ago" is still recent when it comes to human history.

For most of the history, and rich and the powerful would hire people to raise their children for them, and the poor wouldn't even bother, usually leaving the children to their own devices (and even earlier, during the tribal era, children were raised collectively, in what was a sort of semi-familial kindergarden).

The only difference between the past and the present is that now, thanks to progress, kids of most people are given opportunities previously reserved for Kings and Princes.

[Martinus]

This is another example of why we need a feminist revolution

The readings for my queer class intimated that we should have a feminist/gay overthrow of marriage. I have to say that I've been seduced again.

Isn't gay marriage movement about this already? I for one only support gay marriage because it's one more step down the road of abolishing it altogether.

[garbon]

How conservative of you, Mart.

[Agelastus]

Using kindergartens and the like is "newfangled social engineering" in a way. Two hundred years ago, I'd be willing to bet the most common situation was "Grandma will look after them".

.......

For most of the history, and rich and the powerful would hire people to raise their children for them, and the poor wouldn't even bother, usually leaving the children to their own devices (and even earlier, during the tribal era, children were raised collectively, in what was a sort of semi-familial kindergarden).

......

Who do you think were the most likely group in the community to be watching over this kindergarten, then?

[garbon]

Isn't gay marriage movement about this already? I for one only support gay marriage because it's one more step down the road of abolishing it altogether.

How is re-affirming a tradition a step towards abolishing it?

[Neil]

Don't think so. And "two hundred years ago" is still recent when it comes to human history.

No.

[Maximus]

Who do you think were the most likely group in the community to be watching over this kindergarten, then?

Super uncles

[Grallon]

Everything vile in this world is female.




G.

[Neil]

Everything vile in this world is female.

Martinus?  Actually, I suppose I could accept that male homosexuals are mentally ill and they convince themselves that they are females.

And what about Islam?