UK-Israel relations hit the rocks over Dubai assanation

[The Minsky Moment]

See Marti when you call someone a fucking dirty jew on languish you are talking about Malthus/ Joan Minsky Movement/Rasputin etc...
If you say fucking dirty Israeli you mean siege
get it?
got it?
good!

Danny Kaye = zhid.

[Agelastus]

In Polish for example, the word for "Jews" and "Israelis" is the same.

Bullshit.

Intriguingly, an online English-Polish dictionary comes up with "Izraelski" for Israeli, and either "zyd" or "Izraelita" for Jew.

That's what I thought. Martinus is full of shit.
Every language I know of, have separate terms for jews and israelis.

Actually, that wasn't my point. I was surprised that Polish had two apparently legitimate, non-derogatory words for "Jew" - English doesn't, after all.

Russian is not the only language where "Zyd" is a derogatory term for "Jew"; I'm fairly sure it spread to American English as well. I suspect that "zyd" started to fall out of general usage in Poland after WWII, although Martinus would have to confirm that.

[Tamas]

be patient with Martinus, he comes from a culture which is full of antisemitism right down to its very roots. Only the ukrainians can overtake the Polacks in this regard, the Hungarians might equal them, but surely can't overtake them, and that IS saying something.

[grumbler]

Actually, that wasn't my point. I was surprised that Polish had two apparently legitimate, non-derogatory words for "Jew" - English doesn't, after all.

It is true that English does not have only two non-derogatory words for Jew*, but I fail to understand how this relates to Polish only having two.

Of course, i don't understand how speaking an antisemitic language (even were that true) somehow makes the reference to the "fucking Jews" as those behind the Israeli government's objectionable actions more acceptable.  In the non-antisemitic world we distinguish between Jews and Israelis - bu, then we have actual jews living amongst us, so it is harder for us to imagine that all Israelis are Jews and vice-versa.

[/quote]Russian is not the only language where "Zyd" is a derogatory term for "Jew"; I'm fairly sure it spread to American English as well. I suspect that "zyd" started to fall out of general usage in Poland after WWII, although Martinus would have to confirm that. [/quote]
Not "zyd," but "yid" in English.


* I can think of Hebrew, Jew, and Israelite off the top of my head, and am sure there are more.

[Caliga]

Has anyone goofed on Tim for "assanation" yet?  If nobody's got it covered, I'll throw something together.

[garbon]

Mart, perhaps you should take a break and fix whatever problems you are having.  You keep asking to be spanked in the past few days.

[garbon]

Has anyone goofed on Tim for "assanation" yet?  If nobody's got it covered, I'll throw something together.

Mocking Tim for spelling errors is so 00s.

[Caliga]

I feel like you can do a lot with "assanation", though. 

[grumbler]

I feel like you can do a lot with "assanation", though. 

Note that it takes two asses to make an assassination?

[Malthus]

be patient with Martinus, he comes from a culture which is full of antisemitism right down to its very roots. Only the ukrainians can overtake the Polacks in this regard, the Hungarians might equal them, but surely can't overtake them, and that IS saying something.

I know of at least *one* Ukranian who is not anti-semitic ... 

[Malthus]

I feel like you can do a lot with "assanation", though. 

The sort of misspelling that would go with a porn movie title. 

[Razgovory]

Has anyone goofed on Tim for "assanation" yet?  If nobody's got it covered, I'll throw something together.

Yeah, I think so.

[Agelastus]

It is true that English does not have only two non-derogatory words for Jew*, but I fail to understand how this relates to Polish only having two.

The point was English only has one, universal, term. I know you have mentioned Hebrew and Israelite, but neither of these terms are as generic as Jew is. Hebrew is generally used to refer to either the language or the population of ancient, not modern, Israel. Israelite is also a limited term in English, referring to ancient, not modern, Israel.

For example, you seem to automatically use Jew and Jewish when referring to the faith, and Israel and Israeli when referring to the nation, as far as I can recall from your posting.

Of course, i don't understand how speaking an antisemitic language (even were that true) somehow makes the reference to the "fucking Jews" as those behind the Israeli government's objectionable actions more acceptable.  In the non-antisemitic world we distinguish between Jews and Israelis - bu, then we have actual jews living amongst us, so it is harder for us to imagine that all Israelis are Jews and vice-versa.

Yes, we do distinguish between the two, quite rightly. I was just giving Martinus an option to explain his words in case there was a language difficulty (English is not his first language, after all.) This had the benefit of adding to my knowledge of Polish, and by inference, the social history of Poland post WWII. He may indeed be anti-semitic, as his original words would indicate. Or he may be having trouble with a foreign language, as his latter words claim.

And I'd still like to know from Martinus if I am right and if Polish is trying to remove the original "zyd" from its vocabulary because of the anti-semitic overtone of the word.

Not "zyd," but "yid" in English.

Thanks. It was frustrating me not finding the equivalent English version in the online dictionaries. I don't know how my mind blanked on that one. I did find "Zhid" though, which is an American form of it after I'd made the original post.

[grumbler]

The point was English only has one, universal, term.

The point is that it has several, though obviously "Jew" is more widely used.

I know you have mentioned Hebrew and Israelite, but neither of these terms are as generic as Jew is. Hebrew is generally used to refer to either the language or the population of ancient, not modern, Israel. Israelite is also a limited term in English, referring to ancient, not modern, Israel.

The English words "Hebrew" and "Israelite" are listed as synonyms for "Jew" in any number of dictionaries.  Your claim for two Polish words came from dictionaries.  By the standard of dictionaries, English has at least three such words, and Polish (apparently, according to your claim) two.

Yes, we do distinguish between the two, quite rightly. I was just giving Martinus an option to explain his words in case there was a language difficulty (English is not his first language, after all.) This had the benefit of adding to my knowledge of Polish, and by inference, the social history of Poland post WWII. He may indeed be anti-semitic, as his original words would indicate. Or he may be having trouble with a foreign language, as his latter words claim.

I think the words "fucking Jew" speak for themselves. Martinus has used the word "Israeli" correctly many times in on this board, and ditto for "Jew."  He has never used "Jew" for Israeli except in anger. 

Thanks. It was frustrating me not finding the equivalent English version in the online dictionaries. I don't know how my mind blanked on that one. I did find "Zhid" though, which is an American form of it after I'd made the original post.

Never heard of "zhid" in English before.  Where have you seen it used?

[Agelastus]

The English words "Hebrew" and "Israelite" are listed as synonyms for "Jew" in any number of dictionaries.  Your claim for two Polish words came from dictionaries.  By the standard of dictionaries, English has at least three such words, and Polish (apparently, according to your claim) two.

I wasn't using a synonym dictionary but a translation dictionary. Working it the other way would only have produced "Jew", not the other, more specialised terms that the English language has. I would have to say you are being deliberately obtuse here.

I think the words "fucking Jew" speak for themselves. Martinus has used the word "Israeli" correctly many times in on this board, and ditto for "Jew."  He has never used "Jew" for Israeli except in anger.

To be honest, I thought his comment was anti-semitic too. I checked that online translation dictionary because I found his explanation unlikely. But there it was, our generic term "Jew" had two options, one of which was virtually identical to the Polish term for our "Israeli". 

Never heard of "zhid" in English before.  Where have you seen it used?

It rang a bell, so I can't say where I originally heard it, but a quick internet search brings up some interesting sites, most demonstrably.

http://vengefulzhid.blogspot.com/