Canadian Politics - Proroguing? Again?

[crazy canuck]

The eyes of the world?

If we cant even agree that the Olympics are an international event that focuses attention on Vancouver/Whistler and Canada more then usual (you know the meaning of "eyes of the world") then I am afraid there is not much to discuss between us since their appears to be a reluctance on our part to treat words as having their ordinary meaning.

[BuddhaRhubarb]

Maybe. But why can't we do it now? The only reason I can see is that Harper doesn't feel like it? The Olympics?

Wait a minute, you are the guy saying he should have recessed instead of prorogued.

I'm not saying he should have done either, but I would prefer a recess if you "have to" have a recess. Don't kill all the stuff happening now. It makes all the suspicious types like me nervous.

It's a bad PR move.

[Admiral Yi]

What stuff happening now will get killed?  And what does it mean when something gets killed?

[Rex Francorum]

When a bill is killed, it means there will have no time to debate it during the session. So the bill "dies". In french we say "un projet de loi mort au feuilleton".

[crazy canuck]

What stuff happening now will get killed?  And what does it mean when something gets killed?

Anything that dies on the Order Paper when Parliament is prorogued can simply be reintroduced when the new sitting of Parliament resumes.

another thought for those suspicious types Buddha.  If they actually kept Parliament open during the olympics they would be accused of trying to force through legislation while the attention of the nation was diverted by the olympics - just as they were accused of announcing the prorogation when the hockey team was announced.

[Jacob]

What stuff happening now will get killed?  And what does it mean when something gets killed?

Here's a list someone posted in another forum of things that's getting killed.  I don't know if it's accurate, but on the face of it it looks legitimate:

here's a list of the bills (government-tabled bills) that die on the paper because of this:
1) C-6 – An Act respecting the safety of consumer products Passed 3rd reading in the House of Commons
2) C-8 – An Act respecting family homes situated on First Nation reserves and matrimonial interests or rights in or to structures and lands situated on those reserves Debated at 2nd reading
3) C-13 – An Act to amend the Canada Grain Act, chapter 22 of the Statutes of Canada, 1998 and chapter 25 of the Statutes of Canada, 2004 Debated at 2nd reading
4) C-15 – An Act to amend the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act and to make related and consequential amendments to other Acts Passed 3rd reading
5) C-19 – An Act to amend the Criminal Code (investigative hearing and recognizance with conditions) Debated at 2nd reading
6) C-20 – An Act respecting civil liability and compensation for damage in case of a nuclear incident Reported back from Committee with amendments
7) C-23 – An Act to implement the Free Trade Agreement between Canada and the Republic of Colombia, the Agreement on the Environment between Canada and the Republic of Colombia and the Agreement on Labour Cooperation between Canada and the Republic of Colombia Debated at 2nd reading
8) C-26 — An Act to amend the Criminal Code (auto theft and trafficking in property obtained by crime) Passed 3rd reading
9) C-27 — An Act to promote the efficiency and adaptability of the Canadian economy by regulating certain activities that discourage reliance on electronic means of carrying out commercial activities, and to amend the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission Act, the Competition Act, the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act and the Telecommunications Act Passed 3rd reading
10) C-30 – An Act to amend the Parliament of Canada Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts Debated at 2nd reading
11) C-31 – An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act and the Identification of Criminals Act and to make a consequential amendment to another Act Referred to Legislative Committee
12) C-34 – An Act to amend the Criminal Code and other Acts Reported back from Committee with amendments
13) C-35 – An Act to deter terrorism, and to amend the State Immunity Act Debated at 2nd reading
14) C-36 – An Act to amend the Criminal Code Passed 3rd reading
15) C-37 – An Act to amend the National Capital Act and other Acts Read 2nd time; referred to Committee
16) C-40 – An Act to amend the Canada Elections Act 1st reading
17) C-42 — An Act to amend the Criminal Code Read 2nd time; referred to Committee
18) C-43 — An Act to amend the Corrections and Conditional Release Act and the Criminal Code Read 2nd time; referred to Committee
19) C-44 — An Act to amend the Canada Post Corporation Act Debated at 2nd reading
20) C-45 — An Act to amend the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act 1st reading
21) C-46 — An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Competition Act and the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Act Read 2nd time; referred to Committee
22) C-47 — An Act regulating telecommunications facilities to support investigations Read 2nd time; referred to Committee
23) C-52 – An Act to amend the Criminal Code (sentencing for fraud) Read 2nd time; referred to Committee
24) C-53 – An Act to amend the Corrections and Conditional Release Act (accelerated parole review) and to make consequential amendments to other Acts 1st reading
25) C-54 – An Act to amend the Criminal Code and to make consequential amendments to the National Defence Act 1st reading
26) C-55 – An Act to amend the Criminal Code 1st reading
27) C-57 – An Act to implement the Free Trade Agreement between Canada and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, the Agreement on the Environment between Canada and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and the Agreement on Labour Cooperation between Canada and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan Debated at 2nd reading
28) C-58 – An Act respecting the mandatory reporting of Internet child pornography by persons who provide an Internet service Read 2nd time; referred to Committee
29) C-59 – An Act to amend the International Transfer of Offenders Act 1st reading
30) C-60 – An Act to implement the Framework Agreement on Integrated Cross-Border Maritime Law Enforcement Operations between the Government of Canada and the Government of the United States of America 1st reading
31) C-61 – An Act to provide for the resumption and continuation of railway operations 1st reading
32) C-63 – An Act to amend the First Nations Commercial and Industrial Development Act and another Act in consequence thereof 1st reading

[Jacob]

Anything that dies on the Order Paper when Parliament is prorogued can simply be reintroduced when the new sitting of Parliament resumes.

Of course, it has to make it through all the committees and readings from square one.  It's not just a done deal.

another thought for those suspicious types Buddha.  If they actually kept Parliament open during the olympics they would be accused of trying to force through legislation while the attention of the nation was diverted by the olympics - just as they were accused of announcing the prorogation when the hockey team was announced.

But why not a recess, as is customary?  That's the real question.

[ulmont]

But why not a recess, as is customary?  That's the real question.

Why don't you fucks have a real system, with defined terms and recesses, is a better question.

[Neil]

But why not a recess, as is customary?  That's the real question.

Why don't you fucks have a real system, with defined terms and recesses, is a better question.

Because we're a civilized people, and thus have a civilized system.

[Admiral Yi]

Here's a list someone posted in another forum of things that's getting killed.  I don't know if it's accurate, but on the face of it it looks legitimate:

<snip>

Reads a little like the list of legislation Obama sponsored in the Illinois Senate.

[Josephus]

But why not a recess, as is customary?  That's the real question.

Why don't you fucks have a real system, with defined terms and recesses, is a better question.

Pfffft. We don't even have a defined election time period. Well, actually, we do. Herr Harper enacted legislation for just that...but then went ahead and called an election before one was due.

What Harper wants, Harper gets, God help us all.

[Neil]

It's funny watching the left cry and try and tell people that Harper is a Nazi.  It reminds me of how much less than me they are.

[Drakken]

Here's a list someone posted in another forum of things that's getting killed.  I don't know if it's accurate, but on the face of it it looks legitimate:

<snip>

Reads a little like the list of legislation Obama sponsored in the Illinois Senate.

And all the Bills at the top of the list had passed 3rd reading, so they only needed a final vote and Royal Assent to become law.

[Jacob]

Reads a little like the list of legislation Obama sponsored in the Illinois Senate.

Lists of legislation often read like lists of legislation, yeah.  Would you prefer if it was translated into faux outrage?

[Admiral Yi]

Lists of legislation often read like lists of legislation, yeah.  Would you prefer if it was translated into faux outrage?

I don't know what you mean.