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A NATO Without Turkey?

Started by jimmy olsen, November 08, 2009, 07:27:32 AM

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Ancient Demon

The Turks have already been lost, and it's not just about Europe. I think too few people realize just how deeply hated the United States is in Turkey (and no, Obama didn't make much of a difference). Sure, the moderate government will go through the motions of being an ally for a little while longer, but at it's core Turkey is definitely not a friendly country.
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Josquius

Quote from: Ancient Demon on November 08, 2009, 05:52:08 PM
The Turks have already been lost, and it's not just about Europe. I think too few people realize just how deeply hated the United States is in Turkey (and no, Obama didn't make much of a difference). Sure, the moderate government will go through the motions of being an ally for a little while longer, but at it's core Turkey is definitely not a friendly country.
But you should remember its unfriendly as in France. Not unfriendly as in Iran.
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Ancient Demon

Quote from: Tyr on November 08, 2009, 05:55:25 PM
Quote from: Ancient Demon on November 08, 2009, 05:52:08 PM
The Turks have already been lost, and it's not just about Europe. I think too few people realize just how deeply hated the United States is in Turkey (and no, Obama didn't make much of a difference). Sure, the moderate government will go through the motions of being an ally for a little while longer, but at it's core Turkey is definitely not a friendly country.
But you should remember its unfriendly as in France. Not unfriendly as in Iran.

Really?

http://pewglobal.org/database/?indicator=1&mode=chart
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Josquius

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Fate

What did we do to Argentina back in the day to make them hate us so?  :(


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Ancient Demon

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Josquius

Quote from: Ancient Demon on November 08, 2009, 06:10:23 PM
What would show "something"?
I don't think any one thing could.
Having a negative view of the US can range from wanting to wipe the US off the face of the earth to making snide comments about it occasionally. If someone came up to me on the street and asked 'US- Yey or ney', I may sometimes fall on the negative side of the fence.
Western Turkey is a remarkably modern, civilized, secular place. I have little doubt that they are far more towards my kind of negativity than the negativity of the Iranian regime.
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Tyr on November 08, 2009, 06:04:53 PM
You just did that though. You said really and posted a link that shows nothing.

France 75% vs. Turkey 14% shows that your analogy was complete bollocks.
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HisMajestyBOB

Quote from: Fate on November 08, 2009, 06:01:27 PM
What did we do to Argentina back in the day to make them hate us so?  :(

We didn't nuke London during the Malvinas War.
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Razgovory

I'm surprised the French like us more then the British.  Also the Nigerians love us for some unknown reason. Must be those scams.  Odd that India likes us better then Canada.
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Eddie Teach

France is mildly surprising; Lebanon at 55% even moreso. Though I suppose it could be nearly unanimous among the Marionites.
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Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 08, 2009, 10:10:31 PM
France is mildly surprising; Lebanon at 55% even moreso. Though I suppose it could be nearly unanimous among the Marionites.

I think it really depends on how many of the diaspora are at home. It probably is 10% more positive during the summer vacation.
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