Holocaust denial

[Josquius]

So...in the news Ahmadinejad is at it again.
One big question raised in my head over this though is; why?
Why on earth do so many gits deny the holocaust ever happened? Surely if you're to be anti-Jewish the better approach is 'The nazis were right, the Jews SHOULD be wiped out'.

[The Brain]

It's an attempt to muddy the waters which is done because their true feelings are too controversial. Holocaust denial is the ID of anti-semitism.

[PDH]

It's not that he really denies the Holocaust, he just denies that it wasn't the Jews' fault.

[Eddie Teach]

The Holocaust never happened, it was a hoax dreamed up by Hollywood to sell movie tickets.

(Is it legal for Germans to read this post?)

[jimmy olsen]

It's an attempt to muddy the waters which is done because their true feelings are too controversial. Holocaust denial is the ID of anti-semitism.

I can understand that being the modus operandi from someone in the West who is constrained by a society which finds those beliefs repellent, but Iran is openly dedicated to Israel's destruction so I don't see what stops them from paying homage to the Holocaust as a good thing.

[The Brain]

It's an attempt to muddy the waters which is done because their true feelings are too controversial. Holocaust denial is the ID of anti-semitism.

I can understand that being the modus operandi from someone in the West who is constrained by a society which finds those beliefs repellent, but Iran is openly dedicated to Israel's destruction so I don't see what stops them from paying homage to the Holocaust as a good thing.

The OP asked about gits in general, Iran was just an example.

[Martinus]

Well, it's fairly easy to answer, imo. The modern world (especially the modern West) is victim-centered - the best position, politically, to be is to be seen as a victim (all the current tensions between Poland, Russia, Germany and Ukraine, for example, that concern history, are about who was a bigger victim; and this is easily used by politicians as a playing card, both internally and internationally: remember Kaczynski's ridiculous demand that Poland should get more votes in the EU to account for all the people the Germans have killed? There are political movements of expelled Germans in Germany, too; and Russia is pretty much never coming down from the cross either).

By denying Holocaust, antisemites seek to accomplish two things: deny Jews one of the most powerful politically-charged victimhood status in history (which both Israel and Jewish communities around the world have been pretty happy to use as a bludgeon, tbh ), and at the same time paint themselves as victims of Jewish propaganda and lies. This is actually pretty smart on their part, since that's the only way they can actually hope to win the majority over - arguing for another Holocaust is a non-starter and they know it.

[Martinus]

It's an attempt to muddy the waters which is done because their true feelings are too controversial. Holocaust denial is the ID of anti-semitism.

I can understand that being the modus operandi from someone in the West who is constrained by a society which finds those beliefs repellent, but Iran is openly dedicated to Israel's destruction so I don't see what stops them from paying homage to the Holocaust as a good thing.

I think it is foolish to assume that Iranian leaders are not aware of international reception of their words. In fact, quite the contrary.

Besides, a lot of Westerners, imo, would have a much different view of existence of Israel, if Holocaust never happened. In a strictly political sense, it is a "crusader state", that is maintained with heavy contributions from the West and antagonizes the entire region. However, its existence is being viewed as a just attempt at compensation for the horrors of Holocaust. Had this justification been removed, the moral case for supporting Israel would be much weaker.

[Barrister]

Had this justification been removed, the moral case for supporting Israel would be much weaker.

Disagree.

[Razgovory]

Had this justification been removed, the moral case for supporting Israel would be much weaker.

Disagree.

As do I.

[Martinus]

Had this justification been removed, the moral case for supporting Israel would be much weaker.

Disagree.

Well, I am not arguing a position here, I am just saying how it would be viewed by a lot of people.

And Israelis are keenly aware of that - that is why they incorporate Holocaust-related rhetoric into their politics and diplomacy.

[Jaron]

Isn't that a position?

Anyways, Israel deserves to be wiped off the map, but as long as people carry guilt over doing nothing about the Holocaust, it will remain protected.

In reality though, if world order ever breaks down, the first nukes to hit Jerusalem won't be from Tehran, but Paris, or Berlin, or especially Poland if Russia decides to restation their arsenal there in their new empire.

[Barrister]

Isn't that a position?

Anyways, Israel deserves to be wiped off the map, but as long as people carry guilt over doing nothing about the Holocaust, it will remain protected.

In reality though, if world order ever breaks down, the first nukes to hit Jerusalem won't be from Tehran, but Paris, or Berlin, or especially Poland if Russia decides to restation their arsenal there in their new empire.

Just in case anyone wanted to take Jaron seriously...

[Tamas]

Well, it's fairly easy to answer, imo. The modern world (especially the modern West) is victim-centered - the best position, politically, to be is to be seen as a victim (all the current tensions between Poland, Russia, Germany and Ukraine, for example, that concern history, are about who was a bigger victim; and this is easily used by politicians as a playing card, both internally and internationally: remember Kaczynski's ridiculous demand that Poland should get more votes in the EU to account for all the people the Germans have killed? There are political movements of expelled Germans in Germany, too; and Russia is pretty much never coming down from the cross either).

By denying Holocaust, antisemites seek to accomplish two things: deny Jews one of the most powerful politically-charged victimhood status in history (which both Israel and Jewish communities around the world have been pretty happy to use as a bludgeon, tbh ), and at the same time paint themselves as victims of Jewish propaganda and lies. This is actually pretty smart on their part, since that's the only way they can actually hope to win the majority over - arguing for another Holocaust is a non-starter and they know it.

Good post, I agree.

[Jaron]

Isn't that a position?

Anyways, Israel deserves to be wiped off the map, but as long as people carry guilt over doing nothing about the Holocaust, it will remain protected.

In reality though, if world order ever breaks down, the first nukes to hit Jerusalem won't be from Tehran, but Paris, or Berlin, or especially Poland if Russia decides to restation their arsenal there in their new empire.

Just in case anyone wanted to take Jaron seriously...

Care to ATTEMPT to refute my arguments or do you just have "I disagree" to throw out? Hope thats not how your Yukon Kangaroo courts operate.

"The defense has intends to show that the defendant, Lil' Runnin Polar Bear, was not drunk and did not strike that Mountie"

BB: "I disagree"

Judge: "The defendant is found: GUILTY"