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Who is the legitimate ruler of France?

Started by Neil, September 08, 2009, 06:42:25 PM

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Who is the legitimate ruler of France

The Prince Napoleon
11 (36.7%)
The Duke of Anjou
19 (63.3%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Neil

Quote from: Grallon on September 08, 2009, 10:28:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2009, 06:42:25 PM
Here's an interesting question.  Which of the two contenders is the legitimate ruler of France?


You forgot to mention Henri d'Orléans, Comte de Paris, head of the House d'Orléans and direct descendant of Philippe d'Orléans, the second son of Louis XIII and brother to Louis XIV.
The Orleanistes aren't actually legitimate.
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Tonitrus

If you're able to take control of the country by force, I'd say that's as legitimate as any inherited monarch (who only differ in that one of their long-dead ancestors is the one who used force).   

Unless you're some backward Euro-romantic.

Sahib

Quote from: Barrister on September 08, 2009, 07:10:12 PM
Quote from: Neil on September 08, 2009, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 08, 2009, 07:04:22 PM
The People.
The People never wore a crown.  They were never a king or an emperor.

For the purposes of this poll (just as in real life), assume that any republic is inherently illegitimate.

The Swiss Republic?  The Venetian Republic?

The Swiss were a bunch of uppity peasants. The Venetians were treasonous scum that turned on their most glorious liege, the Byzanteen Empire   
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Eddie Teach

Quote from: Sahib on September 08, 2009, 11:42:04 PM
The Venetians were treasonous scum that turned on their most glorious liege, the Byzanteen Empire

Byzanteens are a modern phenomenon; the Venetians were never under their rule.
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Razgovory

I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

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Martinus


Zoupa

errr no.

Valois.

You're off by about a millenium.

Razgovory

Quote from: Zoupa on September 09, 2009, 01:39:07 AM
errr no.

Valois.

You're off by about a millenium.

I thought they were all the same family.
I've given it serious thought. I must scorn the ways of my family, and seek a Japanese woman to yield me my progeny. He shall live in the lands of the east, and be well tutored in his sacred trust to weave the best traditions of Japan and the Sacred South together, until such time as he (or, indeed his house, which will periodically require infusion of both Southern and Japanese bloodlines of note) can deliver to the South it's independence, either in this world or in space.  -Lettow April of 2011

Raz is right. -MadImmortalMan March of 2017

Martinus

Quote from: Zoupa on September 09, 2009, 01:39:07 AM
errr no.

Valois.

You're off by about a millenium.

It depends what he means by "take it from". I assumed he meant some sort of a coup, and not legitimate succession. Both Bourbons and Valois were two cadet branches of the House of Capet, and Capetians themselves were descendants of Carolingians.

Martinus


Zoupa

I think it's just more accurate to say the Bourbons took the throne from the Valois than from the Merovingians...

People usually don't use Bourbons when referring to the whole family line.

Martinus

But that doesn't make sense in that context to refer to a natural succession via a cadet branch as "taking the throne from".

Viking

Zombie Childeric III. Everybody else is a usurper.
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Josquius

Anjou.
'Proper' monarchy just has so much more style.
And the Bonapartists are just...bleh.
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