Who is the legitimate ruler of France?

[Grey Fox]

(I'm sure I spelled that wrong, but can't think how else to spell it)

Etat, as in coup d'etat.

Yeah, in todays french. When Louis said it, it was probably Estat.

[Neil]

The People never wore a crown.  They were never a king or an emperor.

For the purposes of this poll (just as in real life), assume that any republic is inherently illegitimate.

The Swiss Republic?  The Venetian Republic?

Switzerland is rightfully split between France, Austria and Germany.

Venice is rightfully attached to Austria.

[Admiral Yi]

Yeah, in todays french. When Louis said it, it was probably Estat.

You mean the dude who said "l'etat, c'est moi" didn't say it?

[Neil]

Most spelling changes over time.  But 'keske' will never be permissable.

[Grey Fox]

Yeah, in todays french. When Louis said it, it was probably Estat.

You mean the dude who said "l'etat, c'est moi" didn't say it?

Just spelt differently.

Neil is right. 

[Valmy]

The "House of Bonaparte" is the bastard child of an already illegitimate French Revolution.

So the corrupt and despotic Bourbon Monarchy was good?

Anyway the very idea of Napoleon III was to eventually have a Constitutional monarchy based on Britain, being the Anglophile he was, so naturally only the Bonparte Dynasty has any legitimacy.  The other one got overthrown violently three separate times.

[Sheilbh]

The question should read "Who is the legitimate sovereign of France".  Clearly the People have an important role in the rule of France.  I would never support a return to the "l'estate, c'est moi" philosophy.

The nation's sovereign and the people are the only thing that make the nation.  So, basically, l'etat, c'est nous.

For the purposes of this poll (just as in real life), assume that any republic is inherently illegitimate.

So pretend white is black for the purposes of this poll? 

[garbon]

So pretend white is black for the purposes of this poll? 

I think it is more of, "if you had to pick from the two options in this poll, which would you pick," Mary, Quite Contrary.

[Barrister]

(I'm sure I spelled that wrong, but can't think how else to spell it)

Etat, as in coup d'etat.

Merci beaucoup.

[Barrister]

The question should read "Who is the legitimate sovereign of France".  Clearly the People have an important role in the rule of France.  I would never support a return to the "l'estate, c'est moi" philosophy.

The nation's sovereign and the people are the only thing that make the nation.  So, basically, l'etat, c'est nous.

Exactly.  The sovereign AND the people.

[Neil]

So pretend white is black for the purposes of this poll?

No.  Just remember that republics are illegitimate.

[Eddie Teach]

So pretend white is black for the purposes of this poll? 

I think it is more of, "if you had to pick from the two options in this poll, which would you pick," Mary, Quite Contrary.

I think sheilbh is saying they're both equally invalid. And I agree.

[Grallon]

Here's an interesting question.  Which of the two contenders is the legitimate ruler of France?

You forgot to mention Henri d'Orléans, Comte de Paris, head of the House d'Orléans and direct descendant of Philippe d'Orléans, the second son of Louis XIII and brother to Louis XIV.



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[Darth Wagtaros]

THe Bourbon's fucked up.  Napoleon III was a fine emperor.

[Kleves]

The Bourbons were ousted by the will of the French people, repeatedly. The Napoleons were only ever removed by foreign intervention, and only ever to weaken France. Therefore, the Prince Napoleon can be the only rightful ruler of France.