What makes a person a particular gender?

[Valmy]

If the culture does not recognize more than two, why throw that canard out there about more than two genders in the olympics?

Because the whole arguement about the cultural gender stuff is a canard when we are talking about athletic competition.  If there is no physical difference between men and women then there would not be separate events for them.  It is not because it is somehow a feminine cultural trait to run the 800 meters 10 seconds slower.

Are you telling me that the women could run the 800 meters in 1:45 but choose to run it in 1:55 because of some sort of cultural expression?  What enormous bullshit.  Trying to compete in the woman's 800 meters without anatomically being a woman is fucking cheating no matter how many feminine cultural traits you embrace.

[PDH]

First of all, I believe I said that the West does indeed recognize two genders, and so that split seems a valid test to divide athletes - that is why this person is being tested.

Nowhere did I even attempt to argue that gender, gender roles, or gender identification should be used to cause the cultural value male-female division to be applied to athletics or the like.  Sex is biological, sex expressed in culture is gender.  The West has traditionally made the gender-sex division a duality.

I am not telling you a woman runs slower because of gender, I am telling you a woman runs slower because of sex.  THAT difference is why I am not arguing for more than two genders, that follow the biological division as in the west, should be allowed in such things as a divided arena such as the Olympics.  This is also why they are testing this person to determine biological sex...

[Valmy]

Sex is biological, sex expressed in culture is gender.

Curse you academics and your academic definitions!

[DisturbedPervert]

I am telling you a woman runs slower because of sex. 

With me that just makes them run faster   

[Josquius]

I wonder how this will work out, she does look pretty mannish.

[Eddie Teach]

Because the whole arguement about the cultural gender stuff is a canard when we are talking about athletic competition.  If there is no physical difference between men and women then there would not be separate events for them.  It is not because it is somehow a feminine cultural trait to run the 800 meters 10 seconds slower.

If it's a physical difference rather than a cultural one, explain why "male" robots outperform "female" ones.

[jimmy olsen]

Because the whole arguement about the cultural gender stuff is a canard when we are talking about athletic competition.  If there is no physical difference between men and women then there would not be separate events for them.  It is not because it is somehow a feminine cultural trait to run the 800 meters 10 seconds slower.

If it's a physical difference rather than a cultural one, explain why "male" robots outperform "female" ones.

He's got you there Valmy.

[BuddhaRhubarb]

If the culture does not recognize more than two, why throw that canard out there about more than two genders in the olympics?

Because the whole arguement about the cultural gender stuff is a canard when we are talking about athletic competition.  If there is no physical difference between men and women then there would not be separate events for them.  It is not because it is somehow a feminine cultural trait to run the 800 meters 10 seconds slower.

Are you telling me that the women could run the 800 meters in 1:45 but choose to run it in 1:55 because of some sort of cultural expression?  What enormous bullshit.  Trying to compete in the woman's 800 meters without anatomically being a woman is fucking cheating no matter how many feminine cultural traits you embrace.

If you do transition fully to female you lose all that muscle mass. gone. MTFs do have less (none, almost) testoserone than biological women. They may be horsy, and less elegant looking, but not moreso than your average female athlete. No Tranny could ever have legs like Flo-Jo without roids.

[The Brain]

What's the big deal? No one cares about women's athletics anyway.

[BuddhaRhubarb]

What's the big deal? No one cares about women's athletics anyway.

except tennis & figure skating.

[Valmy]

If you do transition fully to female you lose all that muscle mass. gone. MTFs do have less (none, almost) testoserone than biological women. They may be horsy, and less elegant looking, but not moreso than your average female athlete. No Tranny could ever have legs like Flo-Jo without roids.

You may be right about that BUT once you go down that road you are opening yourself up to lots of room for cheating.

I would prefer the trannies compete with the men if they fancy themselves world class olympic athlete trannies.

[BuddhaRhubarb]

If you do transition fully to female you lose all that muscle mass. gone. MTFs do have less (none, almost) testoserone than biological women. They may be horsy, and less elegant looking, but not moreso than your average female athlete. No Tranny could ever have legs like Flo-Jo without roids.

You may be right about that BUT once you go down that road you are opening yourself up to lots of room for cheating.

I would prefer the trannies compete with the men if they fancy themselves world class olympic athlete trannies.

I disagree.... but it's a pretty small amount of athletes to start with.... not really worth discussing.

[The Brain]

You could get around the problem by just banning butt ugly people from competing. The questionable cases look like puke.

[Valmy]

I disagree.... but it's a pretty small amount of athletes to start with.... not really worth discussing.

Well there is the small problem that taking hormone treatments of any sort is illegal for athletes.

[BuddhaRhubarb]

You could get around the problem by just banning butt ugly people from competing. The questionable cases look like puke.

sure... as long that applies to ugly bio male and females also. and horses with questionable breeding histories and ugly forlocks in the equestrian events.