US - Greenland Crisis Thread

[Tonitrus]

As for what US-occupation/control of Greenland would be like...I imagine it would be like rural Alaska.  Mostly shitty and ineffectual.

[HVC]

To clarify, I think the bolded is wrong.

I won't speak for US public opinion...but for MAGA-types, I don't think much of them.

I see, forum specific. I don't know, Raz has already written off Canada as long as zoupa bares the brunt of the conflict

[Tonitrus]

To clarify, I think the bolded is wrong.

I won't speak for US public opinion...but for MAGA-types, I don't think much of them.

I see, forum specific. I don't know, Raz has already written off Canada as long as zoupa bares the brunt of the conflict

Tamas' charge was forum-specific. 

[OttoVonBismarck]

So it is a totally separate discussion but Canada is vast, Trump would quickly not have any easy means of resourcing an occupation of Canada. He can do stuff like kidnap Maduro or declare Greenland part of America without Congress, he would need funding that would be beyond what he could simply steal from other parts of the budget to occupy Canada. He wouldn't get the appropriations.

[The Brain]

I think you are wrong.

I hope you are right, and that we never find out.

However, Carl Bildt (former PM of Sweden) does not make me optimistic on this count.

Quote attribution is weird.

[Jacob]

Quote attribution is weird.

Oops! 

I fixed the original attribution.

[OttoVonBismarck]

Also if Trump simply declared Greenland part of America, what would that even entail?

For any sort of commercial activity, he would need U.S. companies and some legal structure for them to operate. He can't run that from Truth Social or from the White House by himself, the bones of that process would be subject to judicial review through numerous lawsuits. I can't imagine any private company, other than one simply stood up by a Trump toady, would sign on to such legal ambiguity. Any private company that participated in the Greenland stuff would very likely lose every contract, every business arrangement etc they have with any country in Europe and probably many elsewhere in the world as well, so I very seriously doubt any of the mining majors get involved.

[Crazy_Ivan80]

FWIW former Swedish PM and Foreign Minister Carl Bildt has said that it's likely that the US "will use brute force against Denmark within the coming six months".

Please someone wake me up from this nightmare

better learn to fly drones I guess

[Zoupa]

Not that it matters, but:

In proceeding this day to the signature of the Convention respecting the cession of the Danish West-Indian Islands to the United States of America, the undersigned Secretary of State of the United States of America, duly authorized by his Government, has the honor to declare that the Government of the United States of America will not object to the Danish Government extending their political and economic interests to the whole of Greenland.

https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1917/d881

[Jacob]

It absolutely matters.

Not to the Trump administration, of course, but it matters.

[grumbler]

I guess they'd take over the airports and control people coming and going using civilian airlines? Maybe?

That worked in the American Revolution (sez Donny).

[Tonitrus]

Should be able to win in court:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding.

We have a poor record with treaties though...just ask the Sioux.

And that part always struck me as odd...could we just engage in a treaty that contradicts/abrogates the Constitution with just a simple Senate ratification?

[grumbler]

With nothing but respect for our American posters, based on how they rally around the flag when any one of us non-Americans dare critising say stupid shit about it, I think if European troops kill attacking American ones, US public opinion will rally against Europeans and NATO, NOT against Trump.

FTFY.  US posters here have consistently criticized US action where warranted, but also pushed back when non-Americans (and Americans) say dumb things (like your post).

[Savonarola]

What proportion of the GOP would turn against trump, you think? Would any MAGA types do it? After all commie Europeans are killing brave US soldier trying to liberate the poor Greenlanders.

The government is not even bothering to build that narrative.

This is similar to the seizure of Maduro (and the bombing of Venezuelan ships as well) as the administration has only provided the barest of reasons why this had to be done (and, at least in part consequently, support for Maduro's seizure is only about 40%, about half of what it was for Noriega's seizure.)  In this case the US is supposed to need Greenland for security reasons, but what those reasons are has not (as far as I know) been laid out (and certainly not to the point that it would justify military action).  Trump seems to think that he doesn't need to build public support either because he thinks the public always supports him or because he simply doesn't care.

[Josquius]

With Maduro they basically avoided what could have been good explanations and instead went all in for nonsense.
It's straight from the Putin playbook. Say something so obviously nonsense it serves as a show of strength and a challenge to see if anyone dares point out you're talking shit.