Israel-Hamas War 2023

[crazy canuck]

The Israeli Heritage Minister said Israel was seeking to expel Palestinians from Gaza in a radio interview.  Same guy that suggested Israel would drop a nuke on Gaza early on in the conflict.

[The Minsky Moment]

The Israeli Heritage Minister said Israel was seeking to expel Palestinians from Gaza in a radio interview.  Same guy that suggested Israel would drop a nuke on Gaza early on in the conflict.

The man is very confused either about geography or the basics of nuclear physics.

He's clear on morality though.  Doesn't have an iota of it.

[crazy canuck]

For nearly two years, Israel has accused Hamas of stealing aid provided by the United Nations and other international organizations. The government has used that claim as its main rationale for restricting food from entering Gaza.

But the Israeli military never found proof that the Palestinian militant group had systematically stolen aid from the United Nations, the biggest supplier of emergency assistance to Gaza for most of the war, according to two senior Israeli military officials and two other Israelis involved in the matter.

In fact, the Israeli military officials said, the U.N. aid delivery system, which Israel derided and undermined, was largely effective in providing food to Gaza's desperate and hungry population.

Now, with hunger at crisis levels in the territory, Israel is coming under increased international pressure over its conduct of the war in Gaza and the humanitarian suffering it has brought. Doctors in the territory say that an increasing number of their patients are suffering from — and dying of — starvation.

[Threviel]

Where's that from CC?

[crazy canuck]

Where's that from CC?

NYTimes

I should have linked it

Edit here is a gifted link

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Zk8.tKMj.w-OUE6ApwG49&smid=url-share

[grumbler]

It is absolutely best practice to include a don't know /no opinion answer.

Though yes. Logically you should know if you actively support something or not.

Maybe they need a "I think I do?" answer :p

Spectrum response options are better than yes/no/don't know, true, but they make the survey more difficult to administer and analyze.

[Threviel]

Where's that from CC?

NYTimes

I should have linked it

Edit here is a gifted link

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Zk8.tKMj.w-OUE6ApwG49&smid=url-share

Thanks.

[crazy canuck]

Two Israeli rights organizations say Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/28/world/middleeast/israel-genocide-gaza-rights-groups.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Z08.8_R6.cWZ1YJn_hzjJ&smid=url-share

[Threviel]

Is there a common agreed upon definition of genocide?

[Razgovory]

Is there a common agreed upon definition of genocide?

It's very broad.

[Threviel]

There's apparently a genocide convention defining genocide as: "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"

So yeah, everyone is committing genocide. The word has no meaning.


The guy who coined it wanted to define it something like this: "the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group" by means such as "the disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its] culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic existence".


By that definition an argument can be made that Israel is at the very least approaching genocide.

[HVC]

I know the whole "they voted for Hamas" justification has been used here so I found this fitting, and funny.

[Razgovory]

That would still make pretty much every war a genocide.  For example the NATO war against the Taliban disintegrated political and social institutions and I'm sure the Taliban would argue that NATO was trying to destroy their religion, culture, national feelings and economic existence. 

Hell, importing too many American films is genocide in some quarters.

[Razgovory]

I know the whole "they voted for Hamas" justification has been used here so I found this fitting, and funny.

Guess we should have given the Nazis a break since most Germans didn't vote for Hitler.

[The Minsky Moment]

That would still make pretty much every war a genocide.  For example the NATO war against the Taliban disintegrated political and social institutions and I'm sure the Taliban would argue that NATO was trying to destroy their religion, culture, national feelings and economic existence. 

The US poured aid into Afghanistan and put huge resources into reconstruction and education. The contrast between that and Israel's treatment of Gaza could not be more stark.